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Title: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: celtic on December 03, 2012, 07:21:25 AM
A friend edited two shows I taped with soundforge and when the files are dithered to 44/16 from 96/24 and burned to cd there are a few clicks in between some tracks. In between the end of one track and the start of the next. Not between all tracks just one or two. I've used Trader Little Helper to fix the SBE's on the files but these " Clicks" are still there. When you join the two tracks on Soundforge you can hear the click in between the tracks on the 44/16 files, but not on the 96/24 files. Its not the burner software I'am using I've checked that with other stuff.
Anybody any idea why this is happening??? ???
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: Drgiggles1 on December 03, 2012, 10:36:31 AM
When looking at it in Soundforge is there a spike related to the click/s or is there a gap ?
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: beatkilla on December 03, 2012, 11:39:44 AM
Go to where the files join and zoom way way in i bet theres a gap there and that will give you a click.
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: celtic on December 03, 2012, 03:04:21 PM
When looking at it in Soundforge is there a spike related to the click/s or is there a gap ?

Spike, no gaps that I can see.
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: F.O.Bean on December 03, 2012, 11:10:43 PM
Sounds like he used sf to track the show
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: celtic on December 04, 2012, 07:56:20 AM
Sounds like he used sf to track the show

Yeah, he used soundforge to track. Is that what is causing these clicks. Whats the best software to track with?
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: dnsacks on December 04, 2012, 11:49:50 AM
cdwave
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: twoodruff on December 04, 2012, 11:56:10 AM
how do I get a 16/44.1 file from a 24/48 file on a mac?
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: Todd R on December 04, 2012, 12:50:59 PM
how do I get a 16/44.1 file from a 24/48 file on a mac?

Pretty much any audio editor could do it, I'd imagine.  Audacity is widely used and recommended for audio editing, esp because it is free.

I use Amadeus Pro which I find to be a quite capable and easy to use editor.  Beyond a full range of audio capabilities, it allows you to edit and save in a variety of audio filetypes including FLAC, allows VST and AU plugins for expanding its capabilities, can cut full sets into individual tracks along sector boundaries and can save cuesheets, and can tag mp3's and flac files.  The price for the latest 2.0 version has gone up though (I use 1.5.5), and it is now $60 iirc.

If you just want something for a one-time thing, Audacity is your best bet.  If you want an audio editor to use continually, I have used Audacity, Wave Editor, and Amadeus Pro, and all of them are good.  You might want to ask in the Team Mac thread to see what others are using.
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: Myco on December 04, 2012, 05:52:55 PM
I highlight what I want for a track, cut, paste to new track. I've never had any clicks for years, and they seemlessly match the beginning and end of each other.
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: F.O.Bean on December 04, 2012, 10:54:54 PM
I wqould just use soundforge to normalize/dither/resample/EQ/etc...and use cdwave for tracking and cue sheets ;) Then use traders little helper to FLAC and fix SBE's ;)
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: celtic on December 05, 2012, 02:03:12 PM
Thanks for the info guys.

Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: Marshall7 on December 06, 2012, 03:53:16 PM
I wqould just use soundforge to normalize/dither/resample/EQ/etc...and use cdwave for tracking and cue sheets ;) Then use traders little helper to FLAC and fix SBE's ;)

Got to agree with Bean.  Although of course if you use CD Wave you won't have any SBE's :)
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: F.O.Bean on December 06, 2012, 04:39:31 PM
I wqould just use soundforge to normalize/dither/resample/EQ/etc...and use cdwave for tracking and cue sheets ;) Then use traders little helper to FLAC and fix SBE's ;)

Got to agree with Bean.  Although of course if you use CD Wave you won't have any SBE's :)

Not true. You will get an SBEbat the end of each set if you don't make a dummy track
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: Myco on December 06, 2012, 04:58:11 PM
You can check SBE's automatically in Trader'sLittle Helper, why would you want to add in another program? I just track it out in Soundforge 10 Pro, then flac it out and do all the other stuff in Trader's Little Helper. You can get rid of all foreign metadata, and fix SBE's manually also in TLH. I don't use cue sheets and haven't in a while, so this process you use Bean would just add extra unnecessary steps for me.
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: F.O.Bean on December 06, 2012, 09:21:26 PM
im def set in my ways :) u dont use cue sheets? so you have to manually track your 24bit and 16bit separately? thats an added unnecessary step too :P
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: Myco on December 06, 2012, 09:35:16 PM
im def set in my ways :) u dont use cue sheets? so you have to manually track your 24bit and 16bit separately? thats an added unnecessary step too :P

I'm a perfectionist, I like to zoom in to the most exact points I can get to set the trackmark, so I guess it might be an unnecessary step, but I find it more appealing than using another program. That's just me though.
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: F.O.Bean on December 06, 2012, 10:32:27 PM
Hey Myco, thats why there are MANY different options for us all :)
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: Myco on December 07, 2012, 12:00:33 AM
Hey Myco, thats why there are MANY different options for us all :)

Absolutely Bean! I did not mean to infer that my way was the best way or anything like that, only that it is A way to do it within this program.  ;D
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: celtic on December 24, 2012, 04:11:31 PM
What are the best settings for Bit convertor (Dither / Noise Shaping) and Resample using Sound Forge Pro 10?

Also will it make any difference if you resample or bit convert/dither first?
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: kubacheck on December 24, 2012, 06:54:14 PM
im def set in my ways :) u dont use cue sheets? so you have to manually track your 24bit and 16bit separately? thats an added unnecessary step too :P

why track the 24 bit and 16 bit separately??..... track in 24 bit, then the use batch editor to dither the finished folder down to 16/44.1, no fuss no muss.....
Title: Re: Dithering files from 96/24 to 44/16 with Sound Forge 10
Post by: Marshall7 on December 25, 2012, 02:33:19 AM
I wqould just use soundforge to normalize/dither/resample/EQ/etc...and use cdwave for tracking and cue sheets ;) Then use traders little helper to FLAC and fix SBE's ;)

Got to agree with Bean.  Although of course if you use CD Wave you won't have any SBE's :)

Not true. You will get an SBEbat the end of each set if you don't make a dummy track

Huh?  You're always going to have extraneous stuff at the end of the recording (even if it's only a second or two) that will be trimmed off after your last split.  Your last split will never have an SBE.