Topic: help burning DVD-audio

[Jeff F]

What is a good program to grab that can burn DVD-audio discs?  I recently got a few sources that are 24-bit, but can't burn them with the software I have.  I downloaded a trial version of some Ulead burning tool, but it failed on the files I tried to add.

Thanks in advance for the help.

[Weazel]

wavelab 5.0. i got few others on my hd , will check it out.

[Chuck]

What is a good program to grab that can burn DVD-audio discs?  I recently got a few sources that are 24-bit, but can't burn them with the software I have.  I downloaded a trial version of some Ulead burning tool, but it failed on the files I tried to add.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Do you have a transport capable of supporting DVD-A?
A better option might be using Audio DVD Creator to make a DVD-V disc of just 24 bit audio.

[lds490]

What is a good program to grab that can burn DVD-audio discs?  I recently got a few sources that are 24-bit, but can't burn them with the software I have.  I downloaded a trial version of some Ulead burning tool, but it failed on the files I tried to add.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Do you have a transport capable of supporting DVD-A?
A better option might be using Audio DVD Creator to make a DVD-V disc of just 24 bit audio.

I think there is some general confusion of terms regarding DVD formats.  My understanding is that "DVD-A" refers to a specific format/encoding scheme, like SA-CD."  However, people often refer to DVD-A generically when they are talking about "standard" DVD-V files with music.  To avoid confusion, I usually refer to them as "music DVD" or "audio DVD."

You can download a trial version of Audio DVD Creator on the web.  I don't think it is fully functional. 

[Chuck]

What is a good program to grab that can burn DVD-audio discs?  I recently got a few sources that are 24-bit, but can't burn them with the software I have.  I downloaded a trial version of some Ulead burning tool, but it failed on the files I tried to add.

Thanks in advance for the help.

Do you have a transport capable of supporting DVD-A?
A better option might be using Audio DVD Creator to make a DVD-V disc of just 24 bit audio.

I think there is some general confusion of terms regarding DVD formats.  My understanding is that "DVD-A" refers to a specific format/encoding scheme, like SA-CD."  However, people often refer to DVD-A generically when they are talking about "standard" DVD-V files with music.  To avoid confusion, I usually refer to them as "music DVD" or "audio DVD."

You can download a trial version of Audio DVD Creator on the web.  I don't think it is fully functional. 

Yes, DVD-A is a specific format that is not supported by all DVD transports.
An Audio DVD created with Audio DVD Creator will play on most any DVD player.

[surf1div1]

I'm still not clear on the reference to the DVD program recommended above- (http://www.audio-dvd-creator.com/) while it states that it will do high quality, it limits it to 16/48  on one part of it's statment, and then a little later in the verbage it stated that it will do it. I believe the intent of the question on this post is what will retain the 24/96 khz quality to disc that you can play- a DVD so far is the only thing on  disc you can use as Audio CD are limited to 16 bit. I only know of one software program that will do it so far and that is the Bronze Discwelder -  http://www.discwelder.com/
I'm actually searching for a program that will allow me to both editing in the native format-24/96 with a wave editor and allow me to burn to DVD audio- by DVD Audio, allow me to play the burned copy on DVD. So, I apolize for mudding the waters, but any help is appreciated.

[Craig T]

audio-dvd-creator does in fact burn dvd's in video format with 24/48 or 24/96 lpcm audio.

There are 3 levels of DiscWelder products that will burn DVD-A's (bronze, steel, chrome?)

Wave Lab 5 is a great wav editor that will also author DVD-A's.  I don't believe it supports DVD-A playback.

I'm still not clear on the reference to the DVD program recommended above- (http://www.audio-dvd-creator.com/) while it states that it will do high quality, it limits it to 16/48  on one part of it's statment, and then a little later in the verbage it stated that it will do it. I believe the intent of the question on this post is what will retain the 24/96 khz quality to disc that you can play- a DVD so far is the only thing on  disc you can use as Audio CD are limited to 16 bit. I only know of one software program that will do it so far and that is the Bronze Discwelder -  http://www.discwelder.com/
I'm actually searching for a program that will allow me to both editing in the native format-24/96 with a wave editor and allow me to burn to DVD audio- by DVD Audio, allow me to play the burned copy on DVD. So, I apolize for mudding the waters, but any help is appreciated.

[dklein]

For DVD-Video you can choose 16 or 24 bit, 48 or 96 kHz and that's it.
Anything else gets resampled.  I've had some dialogue with the developer of the audio-dvd-creator software to ask about the possibility of writing a non-standard DVD-V
I want to try 24/44.1 - I know my player has no issue with doing 44.1 - just not sure what happens if you specify a DVD-V that is out of spec.

[stlram]

Your absolutely correct: DVD-A is 24/196. When people say DVD-A they really mean audio recorded on a DVD disc, i.e., 24/48-24/88 or 24/96, which is the audio portion of the DVD video. I hope folks get this cleared up and more acurately indicate what they are mastering.

I had a friend tell me on a few occassions that he is recording DVD-A. When he told me my jaw dropped and I really wanted his disc to hear what 24/196 would sound like. When I clarrify 24/196 he said, "No, it is 24/48". After clarrifying the difference with him he still occasionaly make a mistake when labeling his recordings.

[dmonterisi]

Your absolutely correct: DVD-A is 24/196. When people say DVD-A they really mean audio recorded on a DVD disc, i.e., 24/48-24/88 or 24/96, which is the audio portion of the DVD video. I hope folks get this cleared up and more acurately indicate what they are mastering.

I had a friend tell me on a few occassions that he is recording DVD-A. When he told me my jaw dropped and I really wanted his disc to hear what 24/196 would sound like. When I clarrify 24/196 he said, "No, it is 24/48". After clarrifying the difference with him he still occasionaly make a mistake when labeling his recordings.

dvd-a is not limited to 24/192.  dvd-a is a specific playback format that uses pcm audio at any range of bit depths and resolutions, not just 24/192 (there is no 24/196 by the way).

[stlram]

My mistake on the 196, too early in the morning and a slip of the keys. But I would agrue and so would, as far as I know, any manufacture and studio in the world. DVD-A is 192-24. Anything else is not DVD-A.

[dmonterisi]

My mistake on the 196, too early in the morning and a slip of the keys. But I would agrue and so would, as far as I know, any manufacture and studio in the world. DVD-A is 192-24. Anything else is not DVD-A.

well, i'm not sure what to say.  i guess you could argue that anything less is not taking full advantage of the dvd-a format.  maybe you need to explain it further as I may not be understanding what you are saying.  i've authored and purchased dvd-a's that are 24/96.  what do you then classify these as?  they are most definitely NOT video dvd's with an audio track, they can only be played on players that support dvd-a.  so i'm not sure what you mean by "anything else is not DVD-A".  please explain.

-damon

[Craig T]

My mistake on the 196, too early in the morning and a slip of the keys. But I would agrue and so would, as far as I know, any manufacture and studio in the world. DVD-A is 192-24. Anything else is not DVD-A.

DVD-A is a format that supports several different bit/sample rates in PCM or MLP, and there are certainly commercial DVD-A's out there that are 24/96, not 192 (Mark Knofler's "Shangri-La" comes to mind)

[stlram]

Hey Graig,

Get that turtable hooked up will ya!

I stand corrected and anyway here is what DVD-A will support.


Specification                DVD-Audio                                CD
 
Audio Forma                PCM                                        PCM
 
Disk Capacity               4.7Gb -Single layer
                                8.5Gb - Dual Layer
                     17Gb – Double Sided Dual Layer
                                                                               650Mb
 
Channels                    Up to 6                                     2 (stereo)
 
Frequency Response      0 - 96kHz (max)                        5 - 20kHz
 
Dynamic Range             144db                                     96db
 
Sampling Rate - 2 channel
                       44.1, 88.2, 176.4KHz or
                       48, 96, 192KHz
                                                                                44.1kHz
 
Sampling Rate - multichannel
                      44.1, 88.2KHz or
                      48, 96KHz
                                                                                 n/a
 
Sample Size (Quantization)
                       12, 16, 20, or 24 bits
                                                                                 16 bits
 
Maximum Data Rate
                      9.6 Mbps.                                              1.4Mbps
 

 

[stlram]

I thought I posted this but somehow it didn't make it.

The main reason DVD-A has been developed is to provide high resolution multi channel and 192/24 two channel recording. In two channel situations DVD-A is only at an advantage if it is recorded to 192/24. I wouldn't burn a 44/16 on DVD-A and consider it DVD-A recording. Sure DVD-A supports that format but is it really the sonic equal to 192/24 (rhetorical)

Again, I think it is important for folks to accurately discribe what they are burning and when someone states DVD-A in two channel and it is something less than 192/24 it can be misleading especially when it is 24/48, not that there is anything wrong with that but it is a far cry from what DVD-A was meant to support.   

[dmonterisi]

i see what you are saying, but every dvd-a that i encode is clearly labeled as to bit depth and sample rate.  I do not think it is accurate to say that dvd-a was only developed for 24/192.  24/96 is still very high resolution.  and you have to look at the gain in resolution say when taping a PA in a club versus file size.  i'm not sure you gain very much in most concert taping environments at 24/192.  of course, in ideal situations 24/192 is very muc preferred.  it seems your issue is more with people not tracking the lineage properly, which is a valid complaint.  but most people taping at 24bit that i've seen are pretty aware of the need for proper documentation.

[stlram]

I agree that PA recording at higher frequency, even 24/96 might be (is) over kill!!!!! In most situations 44/16 is good enough for audience PA recordings.

And, yes, I guess my issue is more focused on  documenting bit depth and sampling frequency.

Most of my recordings are FOB/ direct stage sound, acoustic ambient or on the stage recordings, with many of them being on the stage, with the more recent ability to record four channels mixed down to two with the future goal of four track. Read board/aud, ORTF/SPLIT Onmis or XY/Spot mics. Many of the folks I hang with and trade with record stage and FOB as I listed. That's why when I was told that the recording was DVD-A, only to find out that it was 24/48 I was a bit disappointed, hoping it was 96/24 or better yet 192/24.

[Lil Kim Jong-Il]

Again, I think it is important for folks to accurately discribe what they are burning and when someone states DVD-A in two channel and it is something less than 192/24 it can be misleading especially when it is 24/48, not that there is anything wrong with that but it is a far cry from what DVD-A was meant to support.   

It is not misleading to use the term DVDA.  The rate and depth of the sampled recording has absolutely nothing to do with the authored data format.  When someone hands you a disk and says "here is a DVDA" they are referring to the authored format that is on the media.  If they mean to say that the recording is 24/192, then they are missusing the designation DVDA.

It's like giving someone a compressed audio file and saying "here's a flac of my recording".  To say "flac" refers to the specific compression type, not the bit depth or sample rate of the compressed recording.

As for what DVD-A was meant to support: it was meant to support many different rate and depth combinations.  Just because a format allows for a very high resolution recording does not mean that is was not intended for use with lower resolution recordings.  In that case the format on a fixed sized media provides greater temporal capacity, so you can store an entire show or two at 16/44.1 instead of half a set at 24/192. 

[Craig T]

Hey Graig,

Get that turtable hooked up will ya!

I will this weekend, I promise.  I do need some vinyl.  Might have to make a run into the city tomorrow.

-Craig.  with a 'C'.   

[stlram]

Craig,

Philly has some great used vinyl stores!!!!!!

[surf1div1]

Well, thanks again for all the feedback- I've alway's understood the DVD-Audio in the context that it was 24 bit, 98 khz and am aware of higher sampling rates, but was primarily aiming my question as to the validity of that product that I mentioned being able to 'deliver' something along the lines of 24/96 without having to  purchase a $100 piece of software(discwelder bronze) when something else would do it for less. I know it's relative to what I'm doing, but for me, I'm just getting into recording, and am using PD-Audio to get 24/88.2 recordings on a PC card of which I can transfer to my computer and want to burn to a DVD.

[acoustiking]

A "real" DVDa has all the files in the AUDIO_TS folder. On a regular/hybrid DVD, the files are in the VIDEO_TS folder. Some better "regular" DVD authoring software will allow PCM audio, but most will compress the audio  (.ac3 for exmple).

Discwelder Bronze will get you there but be careful on gaps between songs. If you import each track individually into Discwelder Bronze, you'll get a gap. You can impprt one large file and cue tracks within the program, but after 1 hour of music it will automatically start putting a gap bewteen songs even with a cue.

[Craig T]

Not true.  I use Bronze exclusively for author/burn DVD-A's and don't have any gaps when importing each track individually.  In fact, I'm not even familiar with Bronze's "cue track" tool - where is it?  Plenty of my DVD-A's run past 1 hour and no gaps.

Discwelder Bronze will get you there but be careful on gaps between songs. If you import each track individually into Discwelder Bronze, you'll get a gap. You can impprt one large file and cue tracks within the program, but after 1 hour of music it will automatically start putting a gap bewteen songs even with a cue.

[acoustiking]

I dabbled with Bronze before I started using Chrome and it didn't have the gapless feature. Maybe the sofware was upgraded since I used it last. That's good news!