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Re: first rig
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2011, 03:16:34 PM »
my budget is similar to the original poster (AmazingPudding) - about $1,500, but it's flexible.  i'm willing to spend what i need to get a good quality rig that will last and can adapt over time.  i will likely get additional mics for non-stealth situations, but most of the time i will be recording in venues where taping is not explicitly allowed.  i originally got a Zoom H-4 for home use.  i play guitar and it's good for capturing musical ideas at home.  i've been using the Zoom with its internal mics at shows mainly for my own concert archives.  it's been fun and it has served its original purpose, but i'm at the point where i'd like to make higher quality concert recordings.  the Zoom was a good start, but i'm ready to make the leap to a much better set-up.   

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Re: first rig
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2011, 03:23:37 PM »
The big difference in the 661 and the other two decks is that it provides phantom power (48V power to the mics) while the other two do not; it is also much bigger.  For small mics like the CA-14 than run off of a 9v power supply, phantom power is unnecessary.   For most larger and high-quality mics, phantom is necessary (there are devices like the tinybox that do not provide a full 48V but can power the detached capsules of some mic systems, but let's just keep this simple right now).

it sounds like what you want are small mics. If you're stealth taping your main options are the Church Audio line and related competitors like the AT853, the Countryman omni mics, the Nevaton omni mics (which require 48V phantom), the Audix mics with Church cables (all of the foregoing at or just under $500) the DPA 406x series omnis ($1000 new or ~$650 used), or various types of mics that require 48V phantom and cost over $3500 new/$2400 used (DPA, Schoeps, Neumann).   You'll note that of these options, a lot of the small stealthy mics listed are omnis, which are somewhat less flexible in terms of where they can achieve optimum performance.

*if you like the sound of them* I'd at least consider the Audix.  They're tiny when run with a Church cable (same size as the CA-11) and can be run with a little battery box; if you buy the bodies, you can use those for open taping using 48v phantom.   A new set of Audix with the bodies is under $1000 and the Church cables are $65, plus another $40-60 for a 9v battery box. 

There are forthcoming options like the tinybox with various capsules such as the beyerdynamic ck930.  That may also be a good fit but people have not seemed to have tons of succcess sourcing the caps alone. There is also a much frothed about AKG option with the tinybox which would allow you to run AKG ck6x caps directly into the tinybox, I believe.  That would probably be where I'd go in your price range, if and when the product actually comes out.
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Re: first rig
« Reply #17 on: January 20, 2011, 05:58:28 PM »
Everyone always forgets about the mighty MBHO's :'( GREAT mics for the $$ and have so many capsule options only second to schoeps! Highly underrated and are a very consistent mic. You can get the 603a bodies that allow remote placement of the capsules
Schoeps MK 4V & MK 41V ->
Schoeps 250|0 KCY's (x2) ->
Naiant +60v|Low Noise PFA's (x2) ->
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Re: first rig
« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2011, 06:27:32 PM »
If you can stretch your budget a bit more (like about a $1K...  :P), I would go with the Schoeps CMR setup.  Low profile but high end quality.  You'll need a tinybox with that too though I believe.  Otherwise, I agree with Bean -- the MBHO is a great idea.  They sound great, have 'active-style' capabilities (caps separate from the mic bodies), and fit in your budget.  MBHOs + PMD661 would be a sweet rig...




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Re: first rig
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2011, 06:41:18 PM »
You can use Naiant PFAs with the CMR cables and run them into any pre.

If you can stretch your budget a bit more (like about a $1K...  :P), I would go with the Schoeps CMR setup.  Low profile but high end quality.  You'll need a tinybox with that too though I believe.  Otherwise, I agree with Bean -- the MBHO is a great idea.  They sound great, have 'active-style' capabilities (caps separate from the mic bodies), and fit in your budget.  MBHOs + PMD661 would be a sweet rig...
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Re: first rig
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2011, 09:24:20 PM »
if anyone is interested in Busman Mics I have a set that will be for sale
i also recommend the littlebox and m10
the fr2le for sale currently in the yard is nice too
Mics - AKG ck61/ck63 (c480b & Naiant actives), SP-BMC-2
XLR Cables - Silver Path w/Darktrain stubbies
Interconnect Cables - Dogstar (XLR), Darktrain (RCA > 1/8) (1/8 > 1/8), and Kind Kables (1/8f > 1/4)
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Re: first rig
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2011, 09:48:48 PM »
You can use Naiant PFAs with the CMR cables and run them into any pre.

If you can stretch your budget a bit more (like about a $1K...  :P), I would go with the Schoeps CMR setup.  Low profile but high end quality.  You'll need a tinybox with that too though I believe.  Otherwise, I agree with Bean -- the MBHO is a great idea.  They sound great, have 'active-style' capabilities (caps separate from the mic bodies), and fit in your budget.  MBHOs + PMD661 would be a sweet rig...

what are PFA's ???
Schoeps MK 4V & MK 41V ->
Schoeps 250|0 KCY's (x2) ->
Naiant +60v|Low Noise PFA's (x2) ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's (x3) ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3

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Re: first rig
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2011, 10:19:56 PM »
what are PFA's ???

They're phantom power adapters that Naiant makes, allowing you to use a Schoeps CMR setup (for example) with a pre/recorder that provides P48. 

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Re: first rig
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2011, 10:39:26 PM »
what are PFA's ???

They're phantom power adapters that Naiant makes, allowing you to use a Schoeps CMR setup (for example) with a pre/recorder that provides P48. 

So the Naiant tinybox doesnt provide the +48v ???
Schoeps MK 4V & MK 41V ->
Schoeps 250|0 KCY's (x2) ->
Naiant +60v|Low Noise PFA's (x2) ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's (x3) ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3

http://www.archive.org/bookmarks/diskobean
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Re: first rig
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2011, 08:41:02 AM »
what are PFA's ???

They're phantom power adapters that Naiant makes, allowing you to use a Schoeps CMR setup (for example) with a pre/recorder that provides P48. 

So the Naiant tinybox doesnt provide the +48v ???
no
the littlebox does 48v
the tiny does 16 i think it is
Mics - AKG ck61/ck63 (c480b & Naiant actives), SP-BMC-2
XLR Cables - Silver Path w/Darktrain stubbies
Interconnect Cables - Dogstar (XLR), Darktrain (RCA > 1/8) (1/8 > 1/8), and Kind Kables (1/8f > 1/4)
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Re: first rig
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2011, 12:56:11 PM »
thanks to everyone for the helpful feedback.  after a lot of back and forth and indecision about the digital recorder i'm gonna go with the Sony PCM-M10, Church Audio CA-14 cardioids and a 9100 pre-amp.  i'm sure i'll get some add'l mics in the near future for non-stealth situations, but for now i think that set-up will be a huge improvement over my Zoom H-4 with the intenal mics. 

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Re: first rig
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2011, 03:52:37 PM »
You might still want to consider this MBHO 'actives' + Sound Devices MP-2 package on the yard sale:

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=142355.0





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Re: first rig
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2011, 04:11:37 PM »
You might still want to consider this MBHO 'actives' + Sound Devices MP-2 package on the yard sale:

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=142355.0






Agreed, thats a helluva deal ;D
Schoeps MK 4V & MK 41V ->
Schoeps 250|0 KCY's (x2) ->
Naiant +60v|Low Noise PFA's (x2) ->
DarkTrain Right Angle Stubby XLR's (x3) ->
Sound Devices MixPre-6 & MixPre-3

http://www.archive.org/bookmarks/diskobean
http://www.archive.org/bookmarks/Bean420
http://bt.etree.org/mytorrents.php
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/j9eu80jpuaubz/Recordings

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Re: first rig
« Reply #28 on: January 31, 2011, 05:56:34 PM »
thanks to everyone for the helpful feedback.  after a lot of back and forth and indecision about the digital recorder i'm gonna go with the Sony PCM-M10, Church Audio CA-14 cardioids and a 9100 pre-amp.  i'm sure i'll get some add'l mics in the near future for non-stealth situations, but for now i think that set-up will be a huge improvement over my Zoom H-4 with the intenal mics.
I think you willl be pleased I started with an H-2 and went to the Sony and Church -14s and 9100 and I love it

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Re: first rig
« Reply #29 on: January 31, 2011, 09:10:03 PM »
thanks to everyone for the helpful feedback.  after a lot of back and forth and indecision about the digital recorder i'm gonna go with the Sony PCM-M10, Church Audio CA-14 cardioids and a 9100 pre-amp.  i'm sure i'll get some add'l mics in the near future for non-stealth situations, but for now i think that set-up will be a huge improvement over my Zoom H-4 with the intenal mics.
I think you willl be pleased I started with an H-2 and went to the Sony and Church -14s and 9100 and I love it

the Church gear should arrive in about three weeks.  i'm looking forward to putting the new set-up to work at the Clapton shows in early March.  :)

 

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