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Title: XY @ 120 or 180?
Post by: Bri on April 13, 2004, 09:25:30 AM

anyone ever tried anything like this? I am finding that my XY mic @ 90 is a little narrow sounding. Certainly not as "airy" as my ORTF thing... Just curious if anyone has tried 120, 135 or 180 with cards? I am going to! :)

Bri

Title: Re:XY @ 120 or 180?
Post by: plucks on April 13, 2004, 12:32:49 PM

I have heard some comp tapes of XY recordings.  
Same source, but all changed up.  The angles were at 75, 90, and 110.  Very different sounds between them all.  Definitely the narrower angles seemed a little too focused.  
I think 180 may be a little too much angle as it will sort of be like the healy method, but for cards and in XY.  Defintely 120 or 135 could work well from what i have heard on tape.  
Give it a whirl!

Title: Re:XY @ 120 or 180?
Post by: Bri on April 13, 2004, 12:39:17 PM

thanks phil! I'll keep everyone posted (if they care) :)

Bri

Title: Re:XY @ 120 or 180?
Post by: Craig T on April 13, 2004, 01:44:40 PM

that "airy" thing is likely from the cap spacing.  with near coincident (ortf) you are getting both the amplitude and time differences between channels, with coincident (x/y) you only get amplitude differences.  I often use wide x/y angles 100-120.  even with the wider angles, you probably won't get that airy sound of ortf.

Title: Re:XY @ 120 or 180?
Post by: twoodruff on April 13, 2004, 02:25:05 PM

this may be another thread altogether, but has anyone done any card spacing?

Title: Re:XY @ 120 or 180?
Post by: Tim on April 13, 2004, 02:28:04 PM

I haven't done it personally but I've heard a handful of tapes with it, it can sound very nice... I'd probably bring headphones to check before the show starts for a hole in the soundstage.

Title: Re:XY @ 120 or 180?
Post by: twoodruff on April 13, 2004, 02:33:41 PM

what circumstances would warrant it? also, how far?

Title: Re:XY @ 120 or 180?
Post by: nic on April 13, 2004, 03:07:49 PM

Quote from: twoodruff on April 13, 2004, 02:25:05 PM

this may be another thread altogether, but has anyone done any card spacing?

Ive done it once, but it was also a matrix(about 70/30: aud/sbd); sounds great.
I'd post the link to it, but archive.org isnt loading for me for some reason.
Big In Japan 7-20-2003...I HIGHLY recomend set 2!!!

Title: Re:XY @ 120 or 180?
Post by: Todd R on April 13, 2004, 03:11:08 PM

Quote from: twoodruff on April 13, 2004, 02:25:05 PM

this may be another thread altogether, but has anyone done any card spacing?

I did 3' card spacing with km184s at a Phil show in DC, I think it was 4.24.01.  TS was more-or-less the back of the floor at DAR Constitution Hall, so pretty far back and I only had cards to work with, no hypers.  I really enjoyed the way the tapes came out--nice full, big sound, no hole in the middle, big soundstage.  Very good tapes for this far back in a pretty big space with a very high ceiling--especially for cards.  I only taped in DAR twice so I'm not too familiar with what to expect from my tapes, but I was quite happy using the 3' spread with cards there.  

I ran km184 (a-b, 3')> MV100> Aiwa HDX3000 brick (no AD500e as it had recently died on me at the 3/23 funky Meters show).  I also patched into a friend's tlm170 (hc)> AD1000 rig, and my tapes stacked up quite well against his--in fact I preferred mine.

Outside, I'd probably prefer spaced omnis, but if cards are what you have to work with, a spaced set of cards may be worth trying.  Again, inside in a larger venue, I probably go for hypers, but if cards are what you have to work with, I think you can get very good sound out of cards if you try a smaller A-B spacing technique.

Title: Re:XY @ 120 or 180?
Post by: Tim on April 13, 2004, 03:25:03 PM

this tape has recently started circulating and it sounds *great*

http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=20748

Phish
December 29, 1995
The Centrum
Worcester, MA

Source:  Schoeps CMC64 (split 10 ft, OTS) > Stewart BPS-1 power supplies > Sony TDC-D7 @ 48k

Title: Re:XY @ 120 or 180?
Post by: Bri on April 13, 2004, 03:27:01 PM

I'd love to hear Cards @ 180, that aught to be interesting....

Title: Re:XY @ 120 or 180?
Post by: Tim on April 13, 2004, 03:35:02 PM

have you heard Dave's Healy Omni's from KC this summer? I bet they would be similiar.

Title: Re:XY @ 120 or 180?
Post by: Bri on April 13, 2004, 04:01:45 PM

were they nice? This would be cards....

:)
Bri

Title: Re:XY @ 120 or 180?
Post by: Tim on April 13, 2004, 04:11:04 PM

yes, very nice.

so I assume you won't be in Vegas?

Title: Re:XY @ 120 or 180?
Post by: Mingle on April 13, 2004, 05:12:00 PM

I taped all 5 nights of the Dead at Red Rocks last summer with cards spaced about 3 feet.  Any of the Nak CM-1000 sourced versions of that run are mine and an example of the sound.  I was pretty happy with the results.  Spacing the mics that far at Red Rocks seems to accentuate wind phasing, though.  

I would've liked to have tried spaced omnis, but whenever I've run omnis at Red Rocks (from the section) I've gotten pretty boomy/muddy results.

-Nic

Title: Re:XY @ 120 or 180?
Post by: plucks on April 14, 2004, 01:10:06 AM

Quote from: Tim on April 13, 2004, 03:25:03 PM

this tape has recently started circulating and it sounds *great*

http://db.etree.org/shninfo_detail.php?shnid=20748

Phish
December 29, 1995
The Centrum
Worcester, MA

Source:  Schoeps CMC64 (split 10 ft, OTS) > Stewart BPS-1 power supplies > Sony TDC-D7 @ 48k

One of the best sounding shows that circulates widely.

Title: Re:XY @ 120 or 180?
Post by: F.O.Bean on April 14, 2004, 05:52:58 AM

bri, i ran cards about 125-135, at mofro FOB, DFC, ill let ya hear em, i can only snail tho, PM me bud

i think it soundz dank, ask john r