Topic: To those that have 853 subcard caps

[Belexes]

What taping situations do you use them in?

I have 853 card, hyper, and am ordering omni.  I am thinking about just having all 4 caps, but want to see where tapers use them and decide if I would have any use for them for what music I tape.

TIA.

[taperwheeler]

What taping situations do you use them in?

I have 853 card, hyper, and am ordering omni.  I am thinking about just having all 4 caps, but want to see where tapers use them and decide if I would have any use for them for what music I tape.

TIA.

Just used my subs for the 2nd time at Phish in Mansfield. So far, really like them.   I was seated just behind the main floor level in the front row of the 2nd level of seats.  Ran the subs because I was pretty right on to the right set of stacks and didn't have anybody seated directly in front of me + was expecting very little direct chatter.  They give a lil' fuller response imo (pick up more low end).  I can try to post samples or maybe upload bt's of my 2 recordings with them.   

[Belexes]

Just used my subs for the 2nd time at Phish in Mansfield. So far, really like them.   I was seated just behind the main floor level in the front row of the 2nd level of seats.  Ran the subs because I was pretty right on to the right set of stacks and didn't have anybody seated directly in front of me + was expecting very little direct chatter.  They give a lil' fuller response imo (pick up more low end).  I can try to post samples or maybe upload bt's of my 2 recordings with them.   

So it appears that you need to be in a particular sweet spot in a venue for them to work at their best?  Any reason why they are chosen of omni's? 

Any samples would be appreciated greatly when you have the time.

[pafnuzzi]

Hi

What caps to use when I´m far away of the sound source in a live performance of not ampliefied not so loud music open air. (Arena di Verona opera performance)

Regards pafnuzzi

[Belexes]

^Hypers with a preamp to boost the signal.

[taperwheeler]

Just used my subs for the 2nd time at Phish in Mansfield. So far, really like them.   I was seated just behind the main floor level in the front row of the 2nd level of seats.  Ran the subs because I was pretty right on to the right set of stacks and didn't have anybody seated directly in front of me + was expecting very little direct chatter.  They give a lil' fuller response imo (pick up more low end).  I can try to post samples or maybe upload bt's of my 2 recordings with them.   

So it appears that you need to be in a particular sweet spot in a venue for them to work at their best?  Any reason why they are chosen of omni's? 

Any samples would be appreciated greatly when you have the time.

I don't own the omni's yet.  I used them b/c they offer a wider pickup yet still reject the rear.  In my spot, had a lot of noise directly behind but pretty open air directly in front.  I'd use the subs in that situation (where I want to reject rear noise).  I'll try to get something posted.

[acidjack]

Just used my subs for the 2nd time at Phish in Mansfield. So far, really like them.   I was seated just behind the main floor level in the front row of the 2nd level of seats.  Ran the subs because I was pretty right on to the right set of stacks and didn't have anybody seated directly in front of me + was expecting very little direct chatter.  They give a lil' fuller response imo (pick up more low end).  I can try to post samples or maybe upload bt's of my 2 recordings with them.   

So it appears that you need to be in a particular sweet spot in a venue for them to work at their best?  Any reason why they are chosen of omni's? 

Any samples would be appreciated greatly when you have the time.

Thanks for this - curious to hear these as well, as I am often in a fairly close-in situation where I don't quite want omnis picking up every stupid conversation around me, but where I don't need tons of directionality..

I don't own the omni's yet.  I used them b/c they offer a wider pickup yet still reject the rear.  In my spot, had a lot of noise directly behind but pretty open air directly in front.  I'd use the subs in that situation (where I want to reject rear noise).  I'll try to get something posted.

[taperwheeler]

Here's a link to my pull from Mansfield of Phish.

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=525869&uploaded=1

Will try to get my Ray LaMontagne recording with the subcards up over at dime.

[ashevillain]

What taping situations do you use them in?

The rule of thumb that I've always thought of is to use subcards in the same situations that I would use omnis

1. except, due to whatever reason, it is too difficult/impossible to split the omnis or too much hassle to run a Jecklin disc. There have been many situations where splitting omnis was impossible because it was difficult enough for me to block one stand much less two. I'm talking wide split > 8'.

2. or, like you say, the rear crowd/reverb rejections is desired.

These situations for subcards would most likely be outdoors, onstage, or indoors in a good sounding room up front.

[taperwheeler]

Bear in mind that my Phish posting was a stealth pull.  Had the mics in a far from desirable location (clipped to the inside of my pants legs) and has a lot of phase shifting issues due to people walking in front of me.

[nameloc01]

Wha???  Pants leg??

[taperwheeler]

Wha???  Pants leg??

Was the best thing going...so you know, I'm in a wheelchair...this venues wheelchair seating is at the front of a second row which is teired well above the first row, so from the seated position and with no one seated in front of me, clipping the mics to the pants knee high has been my best option for keeping them somewhat out of sight and having a decent shot at the stacks.  There was only open taping allowed in the ots, which rather unfortunately is not w/c accesable.  The staff are all over by the w/c section so you have to be discreet.

[nameloc01]

Ah...gotcha.

FYI...AT discontinued these caps...so whatever SP has in stock "is it".

[ashevillain]

Ah...gotcha.

FYI...AT discontinued these caps...so whatever SP has in stock "is it".

I actually got my set a couple months ago directly from AT (for a better price that SP).

[Belexes]

What taping situations do you use them in?

The rule of thumb that I've always thought of is to use subcards in the same situations that I would use omnis

1. except, due to whatever reason, it is too difficult/impossible to split the omnis or too much hassle to run a Jecklin disc. There have been many situations where splitting omnis was impossible because it was difficult enough for me to block one stand much less two. I'm talking wide split > 8'.

2. or, like you say, the rear crowd/reverb rejections is desired.

These situations for subcards would most likely be outdoors, onstage, or indoors in a good sounding room up front.

Excellent advice, thank you very much.

I usually split omni's 3' without issue, but I like the fact that the subcards can be good for rear crowd/reverb rejections.