Author Topic: To those that have 853 subcard caps (Read 7264 times)

Belexes · « **on:** June 12, 2009, 10:45:00 AM »

What taping situations do you use them in?

I have 853 card, hyper, and am ordering omni. I am thinking about just having all 4 caps, but want to see where tapers use them and decide if I would have any use for them for what music I tape.

TIA.

taperwheeler · « **Reply #1 on:** June 12, 2009, 02:08:10 PM »

Quote from: Belexes on June 12, 2009, 10:45:00 AM

What taping situations do you use them in?

I have 853 card, hyper, and am ordering omni. I am thinking about just having all 4 caps, but want to see where tapers use them and decide if I would have any use for them for what music I tape.

TIA.

Just used my subs for the 2nd time at Phish in Mansfield. So far, really like them. I was seated just behind the main floor level in the front row of the 2nd level of seats. Ran the subs because I was pretty right on to the right set of stacks and didn't have anybody seated directly in front of me + was expecting very little direct chatter. They give a lil' fuller response imo (pick up more low end). I can try to post samples or maybe upload bt's of my 2 recordings with them.

Belexes · « **Reply #2 on:** June 12, 2009, 04:03:19 PM »

Quote from: taperwheeler on June 12, 2009, 02:08:10 PM

Just used my subs for the 2nd time at Phish in Mansfield. So far, really like them. I was seated just behind the main floor level in the front row of the 2nd level of seats. Ran the subs because I was pretty right on to the right set of stacks and didn't have anybody seated directly in front of me + was expecting very little direct chatter. They give a lil' fuller response imo (pick up more low end). I can try to post samples or maybe upload bt's of my 2 recordings with them.

So it appears that you need to be in a particular sweet spot in a venue for them to work at their best? Any reason why they are chosen of omni's?

Any samples would be appreciated greatly when you have the time.

pafnuzzi · « **Reply #3 on:** June 13, 2009, 09:39:21 AM »

Hi

What caps to use when I´m far away of the sound source in a live performance of not ampliefied not so loud music open air. (Arena di Verona opera performance)

Regards pafnuzzi

Belexes · « **Reply #4 on:** June 13, 2009, 02:27:28 PM »

^Hypers with a preamp to boost the signal.

taperwheeler · « **Reply #5 on:** June 13, 2009, 06:35:38 PM »

Quote from: Belexes on June 12, 2009, 04:03:19 PM

Quote from: taperwheeler on June 12, 2009, 02:08:10 PM
Just used my subs for the 2nd time at Phish in Mansfield. So far, really like them. I was seated just behind the main floor level in the front row of the 2nd level of seats. Ran the subs because I was pretty right on to the right set of stacks and didn't have anybody seated directly in front of me + was expecting very little direct chatter. They give a lil' fuller response imo (pick up more low end). I can try to post samples or maybe upload bt's of my 2 recordings with them.

So it appears that you need to be in a particular sweet spot in a venue for them to work at their best? Any reason why they are chosen of omni's?

Any samples would be appreciated greatly when you have the time.

I don't own the omni's yet. I used them b/c they offer a wider pickup yet still reject the rear. In my spot, had a lot of noise directly behind but pretty open air directly in front. I'd use the subs in that situation (where I want to reject rear noise). I'll try to get something posted.

acidjack · « **Reply #6 on:** June 13, 2009, 06:39:46 PM »

Quote from: taperwheeler on June 13, 2009, 06:35:38 PM

Quote from: Belexes on June 12, 2009, 04:03:19 PM
Quote from: taperwheeler on June 12, 2009, 02:08:10 PM
Just used my subs for the 2nd time at Phish in Mansfield. So far, really like them. I was seated just behind the main floor level in the front row of the 2nd level of seats. Ran the subs because I was pretty right on to the right set of stacks and didn't have anybody seated directly in front of me + was expecting very little direct chatter. They give a lil' fuller response imo (pick up more low end). I can try to post samples or maybe upload bt's of my 2 recordings with them.

So it appears that you need to be in a particular sweet spot in a venue for them to work at their best? Any reason why they are chosen of omni's?

Any samples would be appreciated greatly when you have the time.

Thanks for this - curious to hear these as well, as I am often in a fairly close-in situation where I don't quite want omnis picking up every stupid conversation around me, but where I don't need tons of directionality..

I don't own the omni's yet. I used them b/c they offer a wider pickup yet still reject the rear. In my spot, had a lot of noise directly behind but pretty open air directly in front. I'd use the subs in that situation (where I want to reject rear noise). I'll try to get something posted.

taperwheeler · « **Reply #7 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:24:29 PM »

Here's a link to my pull from Mansfield of Phish.

http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=525869&uploaded=1

Will try to get my Ray LaMontagne recording with the subcards up over at dime.

ashevillain · « **Reply #8 on:** June 13, 2009, 09:39:19 PM »

Quote from: Belexes on June 12, 2009, 10:45:00 AM

What taping situations do you use them in?

The rule of thumb that I've always thought of is to use subcards in the same situations that I would use omnis

1. except, due to whatever reason, it is too difficult/impossible to split the omnis or too much hassle to run a Jecklin disc. There have been many situations where splitting omnis was impossible because it was difficult enough for me to block one stand much less two. I'm talking wide split > 8'.

2. or, like you say, the rear crowd/reverb rejections is desired.

These situations for subcards would most likely be outdoors, onstage, or indoors in a good sounding room up front.

taperwheeler · « **Reply #9 on:** June 14, 2009, 03:06:11 PM »

Bear in mind that my Phish posting was a stealth pull. Had the mics in a far from desirable location (clipped to the inside of my pants legs) and has a lot of phase shifting issues due to people walking in front of me.

nameloc01 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 14, 2009, 04:22:27 PM »

Wha??? Pants leg??

taperwheeler · « **Reply #11 on:** June 14, 2009, 05:30:22 PM »

Quote from: nameloc01 on June 14, 2009, 04:22:27 PM

Wha??? Pants leg??

Was the best thing going...so you know, I'm in a wheelchair...this venues wheelchair seating is at the front of a second row which is teired well above the first row, so from the seated position and with no one seated in front of me, clipping the mics to the pants knee high has been my best option for keeping them somewhat out of sight and having a decent shot at the stacks. There was only open taping allowed in the ots, which rather unfortunately is not w/c accesable. The staff are all over by the w/c section so you have to be discreet.

nameloc01 · « **Reply #12 on:** June 14, 2009, 06:25:52 PM »

Ah...gotcha.

FYI...AT discontinued these caps...so whatever SP has in stock "is it".

ashevillain · « **Reply #13 on:** June 14, 2009, 07:04:43 PM »

Quote from: nameloc01 on June 14, 2009, 06:25:52 PM

Ah...gotcha.

FYI...AT discontinued these caps...so whatever SP has in stock "is it".

I actually got my set a couple months ago directly from AT (for a better price that SP).

Belexes · « **Reply #14 on:** June 14, 2009, 08:05:11 PM »

Quote from: ashevillain on June 13, 2009, 09:39:19 PM

Quote from: Belexes on June 12, 2009, 10:45:00 AM
What taping situations do you use them in?

The rule of thumb that I've always thought of is to use subcards in the same situations that I would use omnis

1. except, due to whatever reason, it is too difficult/impossible to split the omnis or too much hassle to run a Jecklin disc. There have been many situations where splitting omnis was impossible because it was difficult enough for me to block one stand much less two. I'm talking wide split > 8'.

2. or, like you say, the rear crowd/reverb rejections is desired.

These situations for subcards would most likely be outdoors, onstage, or indoors in a good sounding room up front.

Excellent advice, thank you very much.

I usually split omni's 3' without issue, but I like the fact that the subcards can be good for rear crowd/reverb rejections.

nameloc01 · « **Reply #15 on:** June 14, 2009, 09:00:38 PM »

AT doesn't sell retail..only to vendors. How'd you get 'em?

nameloc01 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 14, 2009, 09:03:16 PM »

My main point was they are now discontinued..so whatever is out there now is it. I'm gonna grab a pair asap.

Belexes · « **Reply #17 on:** June 14, 2009, 09:17:12 PM »

^I never see them for sale in the yard. Either no one has them or no one is willing to part with them.

nameloc01 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 14, 2009, 09:24:26 PM »

SP has some left.

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/AT853SC-ELE

ashevillain · « **Reply #19 on:** June 16, 2009, 02:48:11 PM »

Quote from: nameloc01 on June 14, 2009, 09:24:26 PM

SP has some left.

http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/AT853SC-ELE

contact Dave Webb at ATUSA. If they still have them you'll save a good chunk of $$.

nameloc01 · « **Reply #20 on:** June 16, 2009, 03:45:51 PM »

^ curious..what's the price on a set? SP is $55 each,plus I think a TTS member discount is in effect also.

Belexes · « **Reply #21 on:** June 16, 2009, 03:51:04 PM »

Quote from: nameloc01 on June 16, 2009, 03:45:51 PM

^ curious..what's the price on a set? SP is $55 each,plus I think a TTS member discount is in effect also.

Chris will bring that price down to $45 each if you ask. I just bought omni caps from Sound Pros.

nameloc01 · « **Reply #22 on:** June 16, 2009, 05:51:39 PM »

^ nice. I have a slightly pricey ticket to buy this week..I think I'm gonna order mine next week.

Ps. I found that a pill dispenser fits the 853 caps perfectly, like one of the one with the little compartments for the days of the week..that's what I'm using now.

taperwheeler · « **Reply #23 on:** June 16, 2009, 09:13:50 PM »

Quote from: nameloc01 on June 16, 2009, 05:51:39 PM

^ nice. I have a slightly pricey ticket to buy this week..I think I'm gonna order mine next week.

Ps. I found that a pill dispenser fits the 853 caps perfectly, like one of the one with the little compartments for the days of the week..that's what I'm using now.

I picked up: http://www.tackledirect.com/plano-3-small-waterproof-boxes.html

3 different, waterproof containers...1 is completely open (i store 4 aa batts and 2 sd cards in this one)...1 with six compartments (currently not using)....1 with 4 compartments (lined with anti-static and storing my caps comfortably, securely, and safely)

Really diggin' it...

(Evan) · « **Reply #24 on:** June 22, 2009, 09:31:52 PM »

Quote from: nameloc01 on June 14, 2009, 09:00:38 PM

AT doesn't sell retail..only to vendors. How'd you get 'em?

They will definitely sell them directly to a consumer if you contact them. I got mine straight from AT.

nameloc01 · « **Reply #25 on:** June 22, 2009, 10:02:01 PM »

I have called the Stow,OH office numerous times and each time am told that they only sell to vendors. I even emailed the person the guy above said he bought his from and received an email (from the guy at AT) saying the same thing..products must be purchased via an authorised AT vendor/dealer.

nameloc01 · « **Reply #26 on:** June 22, 2009, 10:07:13 PM »

Here's the response I got....

"The capsules for the U853 are a regular product that must be purchasedfrom one of our dealers.DAVE WEBBParts and Repair CoordinatorP 330.686.2600 ext. 2730F 330.686.6277Audio-Technica U.S., Inc.1221 Commerce Drive, Stow, Ohio 44224"

Unitmonster · « **Reply #27 on:** June 25, 2009, 08:28:58 AM »

I use them head-worn in small venues very often and love the result. Less chatty than omnis but without the potential phasing issues of cards.