Author Topic: 853s(not SP models)>MP-2 (Read 7571 times)

nickgregory · « **on:** February 15, 2004, 04:17:31 PM »

OK, I am tired of these SP versions of the 853s not being able to handle bass at rock shows. I am trying to figure out my cost effective options for stealth mics that won't overload on a bass string pop. In addition, I want to keep this venture in a reasonable budget (no Schoeps and DPAs do not fall under this parameter for me).

What I am looking at is getting a set of the real AT 853s, powering them with the MP-2, which if my logic is right, by sending them a full 48V, I will get better high SPL handling, and at worst, I can actually run the HPF on the MP-2...

Any opinions on this? Am I missing something? Also if there are any other possibilities that I am missing with regard to another mic alternative let me know as well.

Thanks.

Nick

Chanher · « **Reply #1 on:** February 15, 2004, 04:28:35 PM »

the audix micros are small enough for in hat configs (I think, I don't have any)

Chanher · « **Reply #2 on:** February 15, 2004, 04:30:37 PM »

here's a thread on them:

http://www.oade.com/Tapers_Section/Forum/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=100&topic_id=385&mesg_id=385&page=

leegeddy · « **Reply #3 on:** February 15, 2004, 05:22:01 PM »

Quote from: nickgregory on February 15, 2004, 04:17:31 PM

OK, I am tired of these SP versions of the 853s not being able to handle bass at rock shows. I am trying to figure out my cost effective options for stealth mics that won't overload on a bass string pop. In addition, I want to keep this venture in a reasonable budget (no Schoeps and DPAs do not fall under this parameter for me).

What I am looking at is getting a set of the real AT 853s, powering them with the MP-2, which if my logic is right, by sending them a full 48V, I will get better high SPL handling, and at worst, I can actually run the HPF on the MP-2...

Any opinions on this? Am I missing something? Also if there are any other possibilities that I am missing with regard to another mic alternative let me know as well.

Thanks.

Nick

nick, i'm sure you'll be happily surprised by the 853 performace with phantom power. you will need a power adaptor (AT8533) or the Samson model someone once mentioned.

marc

zhianosatch · « **Reply #4 on:** February 15, 2004, 06:33:49 PM »

DO IT. that's the rig schwillbert is running at present. surprisingly good.

zhianosatch · « **Reply #5 on:** February 15, 2004, 06:34:24 PM »

haha, sorry, not because schwilly can't tape, but because the 853s are, what, $300?

nickgregory · « **Reply #6 on:** February 15, 2004, 06:36:29 PM »

so maybe this is a question for Schwilly, but have you guys had any problems with bass with this combo...especially when you are in line with the bass cabinet at head level? have you had to use the high pass filter?

nickgregory · « **Reply #7 on:** February 15, 2004, 06:38:09 PM »

this is an example of the crap that I am getting

http://home.nc.rr.com/nickgregory/kidrockbass.mp3

zhianosatch · « **Reply #8 on:** February 15, 2004, 06:54:47 PM »

dling... one sec

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #9 on:** February 15, 2004, 06:58:05 PM »

I've had 2 problems running the mp-2 so far and I believe both were user related, actually, one was a cable problem. Other than that, tapes have been sweet, I'll send you off a sampler package if you like, nick. I recorded a rave last night, bassy as all hell in the venue of course, and the tapes sounds so frickin schwag. I'm powering them at 48V and haven't had any SPL issues, although I don't run stack....ever. I run from the sweet spot, and boy do they sound sweet. I got a DIN-type config rolling in my hat, thanx to armen's genius.

As far as my knowledge goes, I am not using any bass roll-off, on the mp-2 nor on the AT8533x modules (they have their own roll-off switches). I haven't had any reason to test the switches because the mix is always sounding good, but it is comforting to know it is there if I need it.

also, I have to talk to goose about this, but I think his mics aren't matched. Or maybe it's the gain on my mp-2, but they are about 2 dB off.

more on the rave later!

~schwillberitis

PS what are you using to power the CMC-4's?

zhianosatch · « **Reply #10 on:** February 15, 2004, 07:00:11 PM »

in front of the cabinets, i'd run the 80hz filter anyway. and that mishandling of the lows will go away when you get the real deal, i'll put some money on that.
stuff like this happens all the TIME with many sp tapes, at the bass cabinets or not, from the little omnis to the 853s. haven't heard the low end problem with the 831s but we'll see. seems like the 831s are the only truly trustworthy mics to get from SP - do the 933s have basshandling problems? are they out of sound pro's current catatlog?

zhianosatch · « **Reply #11 on:** February 15, 2004, 07:01:17 PM »

Quote from: Schwillberitis on February 15, 2004, 06:58:05 PM

I've had 2 problems running the mp-2 so far and I believe both were user related, actually, one was a cable problem. Other than that, tapes have been sweet, I'll send you off a sampler package if you like, nick. I recorded a rave last night, bassy as all hell in the venue of course, and the tapes sounds so frickin schwag. I'm powering them at 48V and haven't had any SPL issues, although I don't run stack....ever. I run from the sweet spot, and boy do they sound sweet. I got a DIN-type config rolling in my hat, thanx to armen's genius.

As far as my knowledge goes, I am not using any bass roll-off, on the mp-2 nor on the AT8533x modules (they have their own roll-off switches). I haven't had any reason to test the switches because the mix is always sounding good, but it is comforting to know it is there if I need it.

also, I have to talk to goose about this, but I think his mics aren't matched. Or maybe it's the gain on my mp-2, but they are about 2 dB off.

more on the rave later!

~schwillberitis

PS what are you using to power the CMC-4's?

gotta get your rave tape. did you transfer them yet? what's taking so long?!?!?!

zhianosatch · « **Reply #12 on:** February 15, 2004, 07:07:18 PM »

Quote from: Schwillberitis on February 15, 2004, 06:58:05 PM

I've had 2 problems running the mp-2 so far and I believe both were user related, actually, one was a cable problem. Other than that, tapes have been sweet, I'll send you off a sampler package if you like, nick. I recorded a rave last night, bassy as all hell in the venue of course, and the tapes sounds so frickin schwag. I'm powering them at 48V and haven't had any SPL issues, although I don't run stack....ever. I run from the sweet spot, and boy do they sound sweet. I got a DIN-type config rolling in my hat, thanx to armen's genius.

haha, yeah, right. instantaneous inspiration, that's all. and it's so perfect for my DPAs... if we do some measurin it could set a trend with the card/hyper pholk!

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As far as my knowledge goes, I am not using any bass roll-off, on the mp-2 nor on the AT8533x modules (they have their own roll-off switches). I haven't had any reason to test the switches because the mix is always sounding good, but it is comforting to know it is there if I need it.

i don't think i'd ever use any filter setting higher than 80-85. my dpa mps-6010 has a switchable setting at 85 hz. works like voodoo.

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also, I have to talk to goose about this, but I think his mics aren't matched. Or maybe it's the gain on my mp-2, but they are about 2 dB off.

quite possible that it's the mics - not that it's a terrible thing. everything was butter when i ran the 4061s >modmps with your mp-2.

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PS what are you using to power the CMC-4's?

i think he's using the slimline module, same shit i have for the 831s SP-CMC-whatever the fuck.

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #13 on:** February 15, 2004, 07:14:48 PM »

Quote from: zhianosatch on February 15, 2004, 07:01:17 PM

Quote from: Schwillberitis on February 15, 2004, 06:58:05 PM
I've had 2 problems running the mp-2 so far and I believe both were user related, actually, one was a cable problem. Other than that, tapes have been sweet, I'll send you off a sampler package if you like, nick. I recorded a rave last night, bassy as all hell in the venue of course, and the tapes sounds so frickin schwag. I'm powering them at 48V and haven't had any SPL issues, although I don't run stack....ever. I run from the sweet spot, and boy do they sound sweet. I got a DIN-type config rolling in my hat, thanx to armen's genius.

As far as my knowledge goes, I am not using any bass roll-off, on the mp-2 nor on the AT8533x modules (they have their own roll-off switches). I haven't had any reason to test the switches because the mix is always sounding good, but it is comforting to know it is there if I need it.

also, I have to talk to goose about this, but I think his mics aren't matched. Or maybe it's the gain on my mp-2, but they are about 2 dB off.

more on the rave later!

~schwillberitis

PS what are you using to power the CMC-4's?

gotta get your rave tape. did you transfer them yet? what's taking so long?!?!?!

fucker

I'm still in HMB (half moon bay)
Smithy went to take candace to see her dad, then we're coming back down tonight. Transfer (all 4 hours!) and then post on STG :-D

zhianosatch · « **Reply #14 on:** February 15, 2004, 07:17:13 PM »

STG? how about just send it to my lab for the next 2 days.

nickgregory · « **Reply #15 on:** February 15, 2004, 07:17:58 PM »

Schwilly, I would love to hear some samples...thanks for the offer! I would agree that running stack side isnt optimal, but for the shows I am running at lately, you tape where you get your tickets from in the mad rush on the day they go on sale!

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #16 on:** February 15, 2004, 07:19:02 PM »

Quote from: zhianosatch on February 15, 2004, 07:17:13 PM

STG? how about just send it to my lab for the next 2 days.

download it like everyone else

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #17 on:** February 15, 2004, 07:21:23 PM »

Quote from: nickgregory on February 15, 2004, 07:17:58 PM

Schwilly, I would love to hear some samples...thanks for the offer! I would agree that running stack side isnt optimal, but for the shows I am running at lately, you tape where you get your tickets from in the mad rush on the day they go on sale!

oh shibby, well, pm me your addy and I'll have some discs in the mail for you on tuesday. I've taped, some local funk and rock bands, portugese goth metal, and the rave last night. These mics are pretty forgiving in shitty sounding rooms when I have used the hypers!

nickgregory · « **Reply #18 on:** February 15, 2004, 08:16:17 PM »

Quote from: Schwillberitis on February 15, 2004, 07:21:23 PM

Quote from: nickgregory on February 15, 2004, 07:17:58 PM
Schwilly, I would love to hear some samples...thanks for the offer! I would agree that running stack side isnt optimal, but for the shows I am running at lately, you tape where you get your tickets from in the mad rush on the day they go on sale!

oh shibby, well, pm me your addy and I'll have some discs in the mail for you on tuesday. I've taped, some local funk and rock bands, portugese goth metal, and the rave last night. These mics are pretty forgiving in shitty sounding rooms when I have used the hypers!

Thanks Schwilly, PM sent!

caymanreview · « **Reply #19 on:** February 16, 2004, 07:50:34 AM »

schwilly, you taped a rave? am i missing something here? just your normal everyday rave with like a dj?

zhianosatch · « **Reply #20 on:** February 16, 2004, 11:44:27 AM »

many djs, and much great electronic mind-tinglage

drumminj · « **Reply #21 on:** February 16, 2004, 12:31:46 PM »

Hey Nick, sorry I didn't chime in here earlier...haven't been trolling all the forums here.

I have some samples with the at853Rx as well. One mic'ed right off the stack at a very boomy bar here. I've had no problem with distortion or anything with these mics. The bass response on them is great, IMO. I used to own a pair of the SP at853s, and they just couldn't handle the SPL at a lot of shows.

I haven't listened to your sample. I'll d/l it tonight. But if you'd like some samples with my mics, I can dig up some of the raw recordings and make some mp3s. I don't claim to make great recordings, but it should give you a good feel for what they pick up. Schwilly's samples are much better than mine, though

i can prolly get a pair of the SP cmc-4's to run side-by-side with the at853Rx if you really want. I think a friend of mine has a pair.

J

drumminj · « **Reply #22 on:** February 16, 2004, 12:36:26 PM »

Quote from: zhianosatch on February 15, 2004, 06:34:24 PM

haha, sorry, not because schwilly can't tape, but because the 853s are, what, $300?

$340 new, I think. At least that's what I got mine for.

nickgregory · « **Reply #23 on:** February 16, 2004, 12:37:49 PM »

Quote from: drumminj on February 16, 2004, 12:31:46 PM

Hey Nick, sorry I didn't chime in here earlier...haven't been trolling all the forums here.

I have some samples with the at853Rx as well. One mic'ed right off the stack at a very boomy bar here. I've had no problem with distortion or anything with these mics. The bass response on them is great, IMO. I used to own a pair of the SP at853s, and they just couldn't handle the SPL at a lot of shows.

I haven't listened to your sample. I'll d/l it tonight. But if you'd like some samples with my mics, I can dig up some of the raw recordings and make some mp3s. I don't claim to make great recordings, but it should give you a good feel for what they pick up. Schwilly's samples are much better than mine, though

i can prolly get a pair of the SP cmc-4's to run side-by-side with the at853Rx if you really want. I think a friend of mine has a pair.

J

actually if you dont mind just mp3ing a couple of samples, that would be great....no worries about running side by side...I know what the SP mics are not capable of...just trying to make sure that I wont have the same problem if I buy your mics...Thanks!

drumminj · « **Reply #24 on:** February 16, 2004, 12:41:12 PM »

Sure, I'll do that tonight and PM you. If you want a sample from Schwilly, he actually uploaded one to me the other day. It's still on my server, I believe, so PM me and I'll give you the login info.

You don't mind, do ya Schwilly?

nickgregory · « **Reply #25 on:** February 16, 2004, 12:51:38 PM »

that is great, PM sent! Thanks! +T

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #26 on:** February 16, 2004, 04:29:22 PM »

no minding here

nickgregory · « **Reply #27 on:** May 09, 2004, 11:05:34 AM »

OK, bumping this thread because I finally had a chance to run the 853RX's in a stealth situation...bassy as hell, loud fucking shows, and the tapes turned out great.....the SP versions would absolutely have distorted during trapt as loud as it was....look for tapes to be circulating in the next week or so

Sean Gallemore · « **Reply #28 on:** May 09, 2004, 01:52:12 PM »

great news nick! keep it up

George · « **Reply #29 on:** May 09, 2004, 03:33:06 PM »

Quote from: nickgregory on May 09, 2004, 11:05:34 AM

OK, bumping this thread because I finally had a chance to run the 853RX's in a stealth situation...bassy as hell, loud fucking shows, and the tapes turned out great.....the SP versions would absolutely have distorted during trapt as loud as it was....look for tapes to be circulating in the next week or so

Good to hear! I also taped my first show with my modded at943's:

http://www.geocities.com/gdloco/Main_Page.html?1084072968171

Some mp3 samples at the bottom, no bass rolloff was used and it sounds just fine. I think those bass distortion hell/clipping days are long over my friend

Brian Skalinder · « **Reply #30 on:** May 09, 2004, 11:19:28 PM »

Quote from: nickgregory on May 09, 2004, 11:05:34 AM

OK, bumping this thread because I finally had a chance to run the 853RX's in a stealth situation...bassy as hell, loud fucking shows, and the tapes turned out great.....the SP versions would absolutely have distorted during trapt as loud as it was....look for tapes to be circulating in the next week or so

Nice work, Nick! Looking forward to this one...

nickgregory · « **Reply #31 on:** May 10, 2004, 08:32:17 AM »

posted in another thread, but in case you missed it...here is sample of the trapt set....AT853RX>MP-2>D100...loud set, bassy as hell....learned the merits of "riding the pit" as some call it...combat taping at its best...tape sounds good though, will get the full thing around in a day or two

http://home.nc.rr.com/nickgregory/trapt-headstrong.mp3

zhianosatch · « **Reply #32 on:** May 10, 2004, 10:51:28 AM »

just keep your head in one place and try not to get plowed over by an ex-con... it's kinda fun!