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Re: CA14 vs AT853 vs AT943 (comp)
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2009, 10:40:52 PM »
That's crazy. Seems like they would be fine for what we do. The U853s w/ phantom are rated 138db (I've never even came close to clipping mine), while these are rated at 125db, a little less capabilty, but I wouldn't think too low?
  Something else I saw, they raised the price of putting the mini xlrs back on the mics and adding the adaptors..from $80.00 to $160.00, so that would put them well over $400.00.
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Re: CA14 vs AT853 vs AT943 (comp)
« Reply #31 on: January 10, 2009, 09:15:56 AM »
Quote from: Church-Audio on January 09, 2009, 09:07:35 PM
Quote from: Javier Cinakowski on January 09, 2009, 06:11:42 PM
Those look like a terrific alternative to the DPA's....  I wonder if the premium price compared to the 853's is warranted because of the smaller size and/or better sound.  I hope both....
I had an actor overload one of these mics with his voice, Not sure how well they would be suited for live recordings.

Ouch!  that 125spec would make me nervous.....
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Re: CA14 vs AT853 vs AT943 (comp)
« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2009, 10:16:11 AM »
How would one run the AT853's on Phantom? And still use my R-09...

Am I right if I was to grab them with the Power Adapters and then use a cable that goes from the adapters to my line-in...?
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Re: CA14 vs AT853 vs AT943 (comp)
« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2009, 11:39:56 AM »
Simon,
Each mic would be terminated to its own mini xlr connector...each would go into a phantom adaptor ( the adaptors transition the mini xlr to full size xlr and also step down the 48v to a smaller,useable voltage) those then go into a phantom power box/pre, the box then would go into your deck.
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Re: CA14 vs AT853 vs AT943 (comp)
« Reply #34 on: January 10, 2009, 11:47:26 AM »
Quote from: nameloc01 on January 10, 2009, 11:39:56 AM
Simon,
Each mic would be terminated to its own mini xlr connector...each would go into a phantom adaptor ( the adaptors transition the mini xlr to full size xlr and also step down the 48v to a smaller,useable voltage) those then go into a phantom power box/pre, the box then would go into your deck.

Is there any easier way? I didn't really want both the chunky adapters AND a chunky box/pre. Is there a nice compact box/pre that has XLR inputs and powers with Phantom, with then a possibility to get into the R-09 without needing another piece of kit...?

Cheers.
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Re: CA14 vs AT853 vs AT943 (comp)
« Reply #35 on: January 10, 2009, 11:53:28 AM »
The 943's did give me some fairly good recordings and I liked them over the CSB's I had used prior.

Here's a sample of one of my better recordings with them.  A sample from the Carl Palmer Band (of ELP fame):

http://www.2shared.com/file/4619230/613f19be/SP-CMC-8_sample.html

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Re: CA14 vs AT853 vs AT943 (comp)
« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2009, 12:08:15 PM »
Simon,
Yeah, there are boxes and pre's that supply phantom, but, regardless, you must have the adaptors otherwise the 48v will fry your mics (and the xlr transition has to be made)
They do sell the AT modules ( a physically smaller route)that supply power and step the voltage down, but IMO they don't sound all that great...I've only used mine once.
Pm me your email addy...ill send you a few photos
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Re: CA14 vs AT853 vs AT943 (comp)
« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2009, 12:49:47 PM »
Carl Palmer kicks. The only time I ever managed to pull a front row seat for a show was to see Jethro Tull and ELP..the latter threw down pretty hard.
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Re: CA14 vs AT853 vs AT943 (comp)
« Reply #38 on: January 10, 2009, 03:36:11 PM »
Quote from: Liquid Drum on January 10, 2009, 10:16:11 AM
How would one run the AT853's on Phantom? And still use my R-09...

Am I right if I was to grab them with the Power Adapters and then use a cable that goes from the adapters to my line-in...?

Don't waste your time you not going to gain anything by using phantom except more gear to lug around. If you want small 853 + MY MOD + Bat box.... into line input or mic input on a R-09HR.
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Re: CA14 vs AT853 vs AT943 (comp)
« Reply #39 on: January 10, 2009, 04:28:13 PM »
I'm fairly certain that was he's running and he's not happy with it.
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Re: CA14 vs AT853 vs AT943 (comp)
« Reply #40 on: January 10, 2009, 04:30:48 PM »
Change that..I believe he's running 943s modded> your preamp> recorder and he's not happy with it.
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Re: CA14 vs AT853 vs AT943 (comp)
« Reply #41 on: January 10, 2009, 06:24:01 PM »
Quote from: nameloc01 on January 10, 2009, 04:30:48 PM
Change that..I believe he's running 943s modded> your preamp> recorder and he's not happy with it.
The problem is not the preamp... I tried to explain this to him. But again with out seeing his gear its hard to say where the issue is. I did however offer to look at it for free and see what I can determine. The 943 does have a problem with overloading at the capsule not at the fet.
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Re: CA14 vs AT853 vs AT943 (comp)
« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2009, 06:41:44 PM »
There's no problem with my rig. It works flawlessly and provides excellent results (thats including stack taping rock/metal bands). I'm just very curious about 853's and Phantom power and if it'll give a bit more low-end that sounds more natural.
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Re: CA14 vs AT853 vs AT943 (comp)
« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2009, 07:23:03 PM »
Quote from: Liquid Drum on January 10, 2009, 06:41:44 PM
There's no problem with my rig. It works flawlessly and provides excellent results (thats including stack taping rock/metal bands). I'm just very curious about 853's and Phantom power and if it'll give a bit more low-end that sounds more natural.

Chances are the phantom adaptor you will use will have a bass roll off on it. Most of these do because the original application for this mic was a choir mic.. You dont want anything below 75 hz so most of the AT phantom adaptors will actually roll bass off below 75 the opposite if what your trying to achieve.

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Re: CA14 vs AT853 vs AT943 (comp)
« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2009, 07:35:49 PM »
The Nadys are better than the ATs. I don't even use my AT modules, as they sound inferior to the ps2.
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