Topic: Omni caps effect on bass

[blu666z]

Never run these omni caps for AT ES943s yet.  How would that effect where I set my bass roll-off?  For the show I am thinking about usig these for, I will be running the battery box not phantom power.

-Kevin

[zhianosatch]

omnis will pick up more bass than directional patterns, so set your roll-off higher than normal. the HPF on my DPA power supply starts at 85 Hz.

[blu666z]

What about if its an outdoor show?  69Hz is where I used to run when I used the battery box all the time.  Think the next step was 85Hz.

-Kevin

[zhianosatch]

it depends on the show. most outdoor shows i attend have ludicrous amounts of bass... you have to make the call when you get there.
the next step is "95 Hz" on the sound pro battery box but that doesn't mean much. there have been threads about it. what's the next step in your recording chain after the battery box? gotta know that.

[blu666z]

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[BobW]

What to do with the P48 adapter ?
Does it have an HPF w/ switchable roll-off as well or must this be taken care of at the pre ?
Don't the es953's have a roll-off switch on the "body" or whatever they call that square thingy with the FET preamp in it ?

[Tim]

Okay, you have

omnis will pick up more bass than directional patterns

omni's are flatter lower but are not subject to the proximity effect like directional microphones are. so when taping up close or on stage omnis will actually record less bass information than a directional microphone.

[blu666z]

What to do with the P48 adapter ?
Does it have an HPF w/ switchable roll-off as well or must this be taken care of at the pre ?
Don't the es953's have a roll-off switch on the "body" or whatever they call that square thingy with the FET preamp in it ?

Are you talking about the power adapters used when using phantom power?  Those won't come into play here bc I am using a battery box rather than my UA-5.

-Kevin

[nic]

as someone who records alot of electronic music where there are serious bass tones/rumbles,
I have yet to run into a situation where I should have run a HPF.

what music are you guys recording where you need to run a HPF all the time?

[Brian]

as someone who records alot of electronic music where there are serious bass tones/rumbles,
I have yet to run into a situation where I should have run a HPF.

what music are you guys recording where you need to run a HPF all the time?

you must just love bass cause i use it all the time recording rock bands in small clubs. 

[nic]

as someone who records alot of electronic music where there are serious bass tones/rumbles,
I have yet to run into a situation where I should have run a HPF.

what music are you guys recording where you need to run a HPF all the time?

you must just love bass cause i use it all the time recording rock bands in small clubs. 

I do like bass(which I often find lacking in alot of recordings), but I also want the fullest frequency range possible on the master recording.
if a recording needs some eq to tone down the bass, then I will apply in post-production.
its MUCH easier to remove bass in post than it is to add bass!

also, usually, when people need to tone down bass, a HPF is usually the worst thing they could do.
a band-pass/notch filter works wonders...takes away the muddy/rumble but leaves the punch and clarity intact

[zhianosatch]

as someone who records alot of electronic music where there are serious bass tones/rumbles,
I have yet to run into a situation where I should have run a HPF.

what music are you guys recording where you need to run a HPF all the time?

cradle of filth

[zhianosatch]

and the more excess bass you decide to record in the field, the less of the rest of the range gets recorded. know what i mean? i don't want to handicap the meat of my tape by recording 100% of the chest-shaking black metal bs kick drum only to remove it later and bump up the real music... so, HPF it is.
DPA 4061s

[Brian]

what armen said is exactly why i run the hpf a lot. all that mud down there in <100Hz can really have an effect on the midrange and high frequencies if there is too much of it present.  i'd rather have clarity with attenuated bass than bass thumpage with a lack of clarity.  then again you tape a lot of electronic music and bass is important. i can definitely see and understand your reasonings.

edit: didn't notice it but i said " no attenuated", i meant just attenuated.

[Tim]

what are you listening on luvean? I didn't rolloff until I got a sub