Topic: DPA 4061's > Sony PCM-M1 Possible???

[Cheesecadet]

Hey All...I will be out of a preamp for a while and I am curious if you can run DPA 4061's directly into a Sony PCM-M1 DAT just off plug in power???

If so, can I go LINE IN or does it have to be MIC IN to get good levels???

Thanks for any input! 

[Fatah Ruark (aka MIKE B)]

The would need 9V of power and I suspect the M1 only provides 5V. Could be wrong, as I've never owned a DAT.

You could do 4061 > battery box > M1

I'd see if Chris Church could make you a battery box with the microdots (if yours terminate with microdots).

[Cheesecadet]

Yeah...I'm getting my preamp upgraded by Chris so that is why I was hoping to just run off plug in power since I really would have no need for a battery box other than a week or two while I'm waiting to get my new preamp back.

I thought I read somewhere that yoou could go right into an MI but i can't find it now. 

[Church-Audio]

Yeah...I'm getting my preamp upgraded by Chris so that is why I was hoping to just run off plug in power since I really would have no need for a battery box other than a week or two while I'm waiting to get my new preamp back.

I thought I read somewhere that yoou could go right into an MI but i can't find it now. 

They will not work with anything less then 5 volts reliably.

[Belexes]

Yeah...I'm getting my preamp upgraded by Chris so that is why I was hoping to just run off plug in power since I really would have no need for a battery box other than a week or two while I'm waiting to get my new preamp back.

I have an SP BB I could loan out to you in the meantime. PM me if interested.

[jefflester]

I don't think the plug-in power on an M1 is 5V. And if you run line-in you would get nothing, becasue with line-in the plug-in power is off.

Here's an old DAT-heads post by Chris Berryman:

From: "Chris And Berryman" <CnMBerryman@mynra.com>
Subject: RE: dpa 4060 powering options??
Reply-To: <CnMBerryman@mynra.com>
Date: Wed,  7 Nov 2001 19:16:45 -0500

Hi there,
I bought a pair of dpa 4060 mics after much research, here's what
I found.  These mics can be powered by 5v to 52v...the data sheet
on their website references this and don't let anyone tell you
otherwise.  The SPL handling of these mics is not affected as long
as you meet at least 5vdc to the capsule.  A sony m1 will not
produce enough voltage but thats not because it runs off 3 volts
because voltage can easily be stepped up it simply does not output
5 volts though.  I am using a DPA powersupply I bought from
location sound corporation a very reputable tv/movie industry
supplier.  The power supply ran me $135.  I then run line in to a
d7.  The previous owner of my mics used a more preferable setup
and ran the 4060's in to a Lunatec v2 and used the v2 for
powering.  If you decide to go this route with either the v2 or
another pre-amp which provides phantom power I have two of the
microdot to xlr adapters (they are passive) which I could part
with.  In reguards to your question about the jecklin disc if you
search through the dat-head archives I askeed the same question
about 4 months ago even was asking about 4060 mics.... I was
informed by many who had omni experience that for an on-stage
setup it's the way to go but further back i.e. taper's sections; 
Dan Healy's technique for critically spaced omni's is the way to
go.  The technique is similar, mics on stand, 7" apart with
capsules facing 90 degrees off source (outwards).  This provides
great imaging...just make sure you don't use the acoustic
compensating windscreen it only alters the the on-axis high
frequencies (good for AB miking setups though).  I hope this
helps.  Chris


Original Post:

hey there, i'm looking at a pair of 4060 mini omnis and was
wondering about how to power them, right now i have a pcm-m1
that has the plug-in power on the mic input, i was wondering if
it can correctly bias a set of 4060s or if i need to either get
the DPA battery box (9v)to power them or a seperate preamp
w/phantom power and the 48v phantom microdot->XLR adapter??
since the m1 runs off of 3 volts, the plug in power bias can't
be more than 2 volts or so, i'm wondering if that will be enough
headroom for the mics or not...also, does anyone know if the p48
adapter is active or passive?
on the recording side, i've run jecklin disc recordings before
in the studio with radio shack onmi condenser capsules <noisy
but cheep!> and i really like the 'hemisphere' pickup pattern,
but certainly haven't run one at a show, i know that MBHO makes
a jecklin disc, but other than that haven't heard or seen too
much about it...anyone else ever heard any jecklin disc
recordings?? l8r..Nick
 

[Church-Audio]

I don't think the plug-in power on an M1 is 5V. And if you run line-in you would get nothing, becasue with line-in the plug-in power is off.

Here's an old DAT-heads post by Chris Berryman:

From: "Chris And Berryman" <CnMBerryman@mynra.com>
Subject: RE: dpa 4060 powering options??
Reply-To: <CnMBerryman@mynra.com>
Date: Wed,  7 Nov 2001 19:16:45 -0500

Hi there,
I bought a pair of dpa 4060 mics after much research, here's what
I found.  These mics can be powered by 5v to 52v...the data sheet
on their website references this and don't let anyone tell you
otherwise.  The SPL handling of these mics is not affected as long
as you meet at least 5vdc to the capsule.  A sony m1 will not
produce enough voltage but thats not because it runs off 3 volts
because voltage can easily be stepped up it simply does not output
5 volts though.  I am using a DPA powersupply I bought from
location sound corporation a very reputable tv/movie industry
supplier.  The power supply ran me $135.  I then run line in to a
d7.  The previous owner of my mics used a more preferable setup
and ran the 4060's in to a Lunatec v2 and used the v2 for
powering.  If you decide to go this route with either the v2 or
another pre-amp which provides phantom power I have two of the
microdot to xlr adapters (they are passive) which I could part
with.  In reguards to your question about the jecklin disc if you
search through the dat-head archives I askeed the same question
about 4 months ago even was asking about 4060 mics.... I was
informed by many who had omni experience that for an on-stage
setup it's the way to go but further back i.e. taper's sections; 
Dan Healy's technique for critically spaced omni's is the way to
go.  The technique is similar, mics on stand, 7" apart with
capsules facing 90 degrees off source (outwards).  This provides
great imaging...just make sure you don't use the acoustic
compensating windscreen it only alters the the on-axis high
frequencies (good for AB miking setups though).  I hope this
helps.  Chris


Original Post:

hey there, i'm looking at a pair of 4060 mini omnis and was
wondering about how to power them, right now i have a pcm-m1
that has the plug-in power on the mic input, i was wondering if
it can correctly bias a set of 4060s or if i need to either get
the DPA battery box (9v)to power them or a seperate preamp
w/phantom power and the 48v phantom microdot->XLR adapter??
since the m1 runs off of 3 volts, the plug in power bias can't
be more than 2 volts or so, i'm wondering if that will be enough
headroom for the mics or not...also, does anyone know if the p48
adapter is active or passive?
on the recording side, i've run jecklin disc recordings before
in the studio with radio shack onmi condenser capsules <noisy
but cheep!> and i really like the 'hemisphere' pickup pattern,
but certainly haven't run one at a show, i know that MBHO makes
a jecklin disc, but other than that haven't heard or seen too
much about it...anyone else ever heard any jecklin disc
recordings?? l8r..Nick
 

He is wrong... actually you cant directly power the 4060 series with 48 volts phantom... WITHOUT an adaptor doing so will blow them up. I hope that sets the record straight.