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Re: Just ordered a 4960....now I need high res audio!
« Reply #45 on: April 06, 2005, 07:22:51 AM »
i have the manual, it talks about repeat mode, but it mentions it in terms of the menus on the screen, but I am only using it to playback sacd and dvda
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Re: Just ordered a 4960....now I need high res audio!
« Reply #46 on: April 06, 2005, 07:25:41 AM »
Does anyone need a schematic?  I think I have one if you do.
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Re: Just ordered a 4960....now I need high res audio!
« Reply #47 on: April 06, 2005, 08:38:27 AM »
Daryan, about the mods- do you feel that they are as necessary if one purchases a decent DAC, or do the mods have different functions altogether?  Any concerns about dropping the $ for  on a machine that lotsa people experience flakiness with?
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Re: Just ordered a 4960....now I need high res audio!
« Reply #48 on: April 06, 2005, 11:02:37 AM »
What about the DVD-A and SACD of this unit?  How are the analog outs?  Are they part of a mod?  My concerns are with the power supply and the digi out.  If I were to get a DAC I'd get an upsampling DAC that will re-clock the crap coming out of this player.  Anyone have the jitter specs?


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Re: Just ordered a 4960....now I need high res audio!
« Reply #49 on: April 06, 2005, 11:15:35 AM »
Here's what the mods do in no particular order, and this is all repeated from what I have read.  I am an insurance guy, not an EE.  Basically all of the mods are changing the capacitance in the signal path.  By increaseing the capacitance, you are allowing for greater flow of electrical signal, which is essentially what the transport does anyway, not unlike any piece of playback gear.  Most if not all of the capcitors are replaced in the power supply part of the board.  If looking at it display side towards you, this would be on the far right hand side with a white outline around it.  The power supply becomes much quiter, as no noise is being generated which degrades the signal path.  The second part of the mod is changing numerous caps in the analog and digital circuit to allow for increased current flow.  Again, reducing noise and making for a much quiter signal.  

Now, the mod that will most likely effect exactly what you are talking about, feeding a DAC, the question becomes are you going to feed it a digital or analog signal?  If feeding a digital signal, the mods above drastically improve the units performance.  If feeding an analog signal, which I honestly have never used, an analog bypass aka swenson mod is the best way to go.  By attaching some hook up wire, preferrably something that isn't garbage, you will be able to bypass much of the extremely noisy analog signal path, and feed it directly to the outputs of the rca.  This is done by putting a couple auricaps, sonicaps, whatever to incrase the signal to a line level signal strong enough to compensate for the gain stages you are bypassing.  This is a marked improvement for the nalaog signal from what I have read.

The other mods I would like to perform here in the near furture are a derivitive of the ones BOBM came up with.

I am planning on doing at least one unit with all blackgate caps, which are a marked improvement over their panasonic counterparts.  They are also four times as much money.  I am determined to figure out what the differences in caps is, and apparently you can hear the difference, we shall see.  I would also like to change out the opamps in the digital path to something with a much higher slew rate, possibly the same ones doug uses in the t-mod if I can figure out the part number, which I have narrowed down to two.  There is actually a newer opamps which I might try.  I have never switched out opamps, but will give this a go to see how feasible it is in changing digital signal path.  Finally, if you really want to get creative, adding bybee's to the outputs of the 4960, specifically the digital and picture outputs would be extremely beneficial.  However, adding 150 bucks in parts for the bybees alone may not be the brightest of ideas.  Oh, one more...if I had a dremmel tool, which I do not, I would probably attempt to add a IEC connection on the back and get rid of the garbage power chord in favor of a ven haus or bolder pc that would improve the unit as well.  

In summary, is the unit in it's stock form any good?  Sure, or we wouldn't be using it for transports in the first place.  Can 150 dollars help it to rival $1000 transports, yes, indeed it can.  You could even take all of this a step further, adding a superclock, rewire, etc, I am just not willing to take the time involved to attempt all of that!  Yes it will help, grace dac or not!

I hope this helps,

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Re: Just ordered a 4960....now I need high res audio!
« Reply #50 on: April 06, 2005, 11:20:35 AM »
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Re: Just ordered a 4960....now I need high res audio!
« Reply #51 on: April 06, 2005, 11:38:31 AM »
Now, the mod that will most likely effect exactly what you are talking about, feeding a DAC, the question becomes are you going to feed it a digital or analog signal?  If feeding a digital signal, the mods above drastically improve the units performance.

If the unit you're feeding is strictly a DAC, you can't feed it an analog signal.
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Re: Just ordered a 4960....now I need high res audio!
« Reply #52 on: April 06, 2005, 11:48:46 AM »
I thought that there were some chassis and transport mods that were effective on that unit. 

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Re: Just ordered a 4960....now I need high res audio!
« Reply #53 on: April 06, 2005, 12:14:27 PM »
Forgot that part.  Dampening is going to be key to reducing vibration and subsequent noise.  You can spend 50 bucks and go dynamat, or run to the local menards, homedepot, big box store and pick up cheap vinyl flooring tile with the sticky adhesive on back.  Add to the top of the tray, and al over the chassis.  Oops!
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Re: Just ordered a 4960....now I need high res audio!
« Reply #54 on: April 06, 2005, 01:05:19 PM »
Top of the tray?  I'm not sure what you mean... gonna have to go look around...

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Re: Just ordered a 4960....now I need high res audio!
« Reply #55 on: April 06, 2005, 01:48:56 PM »
The actual cd tray, the plastic POS that they use.  I asked a couple of the powers that be whether or not replacing it is an option, and it doesn't sound like it.  Very proprietary apparently.  It's pretty obvious to see.  Take out the four screws, snap off the faceplate, and it will look you right in the face. ;D
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Re: Just ordered a 4960....now I need high res audio!
« Reply #56 on: April 06, 2005, 07:44:10 PM »
What type of vibration are we talking about here?  Mechanical or that due to low freq sonic waves (subwoofers)?  The first can obviously be reduced by some for of damping agent, however to reduce the low freq stuff, mass must be added.  Many believe high build quality only comes in heavy players and for the most part this is true (as long as bricks aren't added to the chassis).  Ever notice the weight on some of the more well known and expensive players (UDP-1, Esoteric, Cary 306 or 308??  Having said that, what is the weight of the 4960?  3lbs maybe?  One may want to experiment by adding a few pieces of marble or granite to the top of the player and place the player on spikes as well.  This may help, may not.  I did try this once w/o any audible difference.  I did just order a 38lb DVD player so we will see how that sounds.

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Re: Just ordered a 4960....now I need high res audio!
« Reply #57 on: April 06, 2005, 08:22:39 PM »
Dampen the transport, add cones to the feet, and if you really want to go cheap, a bag of sand or lead shot on top will do the trick.  Or, you could always get a 300 dollar isolation stand  :-)  One other cheap tweak is to go to wallyworld and grab a bike tube for smaller bics, fill at the gas station, and place folded under the unit.

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Re: Just ordered a 4960....now I need high res audio!
« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2005, 07:05:18 PM »
Insert disc, hit play.  Is something not working?
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Re: Just ordered a 4960....now I need high res audio!
« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2005, 10:11:11 PM »
Nice moke!   I've really been enjoying mine....actually Heather and I were listening to a recording of yours the other night that sounded AMAZING.  THC 1/24/2004  (TL's omni/jecklin -> V3 -> M1)  She was pretty impressed with both the recording and the playback.....so I won a major battle in justifing my purchases!  Thanksfor helping!  ;D
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