Topic: what the heck are "SBE's"??

[RedDawg]

I posted a show on the Archive yesterday and got this review....

I'm normally not an AKG fan but the sound but this one sounds really nice. There are SBE's on almost every track but that's another issue...


Can someone tell me what SBE stands for??

By the way, if you want to check out some Hookah...GET YOU SOME...2 set is on fire.

www.archive.org/details/eh2007-04-13.eh2007-04-13.aud.flac16

[jkbyram]

sector boundry errors.

[RedDawg]

sector boundry errors.

please excused my stupidity....but what is that??  And how do I fix it.  I think the show sounded pretty good, not great, but good.

[jkbyram]

basically the tracks were not split exactly on sector boundries, it looks like you used cdwave to track which does split on sector boundries. not sure why you have em. if you did any editing with audition or wavelab sbe can be present. they can be fixed. i use traders little helper.


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[pmonk66]

sector boundry errors.

please excused my stupidity....but what is that??  And how do I fix it.  I think the show sounded pretty good, not great, but good.

You will only hear SBE's when you burn the file onto a CD-R, then you will hear a index click between the tracks were the SBE are!

[RedDawg]

so basically its the "clicking" noise between tracks.  If I run Trader's LIttle Helper on my FLAC files prior to uploading I guess it will smooth the transition between tracks??  Is this correct?

[RedDawg]

After some research I think I figured it out.  If I click on "align on sector boundaries" when I'm converting to FLAC, this will correct the issue correct??

[pmonk66]

Trader's Little Helper will fix SBE's.

I believe Aligning on SB when when using FLAC Frontend also fixes them as well.

[sleepypedro]

After some research I think I figured it out.  If I click on "align on sector boundaries" when I'm converting to FLAC, this will correct the issue correct??

yes, that's all you need to do.

[terrapinj]

if you are using CDwave and getting SBEs you may have a bigger problem

they are easily correctable with either TLH or FLAC Frontend, but you should not be getting them at all with CDWave. you can also just check fro SBEs with TLH as well. i always leave the "align on SB" checked in Frontend unless doing 24bit conversions.

what editing are you doing from CdWave > Soundforge? generally tracking should be the last step before converting to FLAC, perhaps adding some fades but that shouldn't effect the Sector Boundaries



i see this was in Yellow Springs - do you know Jeff by any chance?

[jkbyram]

if you are using CDwave and getting SBEs you may have a bigger problem

they are easily correctable with either TLH or FLAC Frontend, but you should not be getting them at all with CDWave. you can also just check fro SBEs with TLH as well. i always leave the "align on SB" checked in Frontend unless doing 24bit conversions.

what editing are you doing from CdWave > Soundforge? generally tracking should be the last step before converting to FLAC, perhaps adding some fades but that shouldn't effect the Sector Boundaries

this is what i am thinkng too. some editing was done with an audio editor to introduce SBE's

[RedDawg]

i see this was in Yellow Springs - do you know Jeff by any chance?

Don't know or got to meet a Jeff Friday night.  Only 2 others taping that night and I knew both of them.  Heck of a show though!!


I have been tracking 1st with CDWave.  Then I use Soundforge6.0 for slight touch ups...then Encode to FLAC.  I guess I cut it first so I can play with each track on it's own. 
The way I look at it, I continue to do the same EXCEPT when I encode, I'll check the Align the SB box. 

+T for you folks if I knew how to give them....Gawd I'm still a neebie

[terrapinj]

i see this was in Yellow Springs - do you know Jeff by any chance?

Don't know or got to meet a Jeff Friday night.  Only 2 others taping that night and I knew both of them.  Heck of a show though!!


I have been tracking 1st with CDWave.  Then I use Soundforge6.0 for slight touch ups...then Encode to FLAC.  I guess I cut it first so I can play with each track on it's own. 
The way I look at it, I continue to do the same EXCEPT when I encode, I'll check the Align the SB box. 

+T for you folks if I knew how to give them....Gawd I'm still a neebie

you should try to do all edits prior to tracking out - depending what you are doing (normalizing, resampling, dithering, EQ etc) it will be easier to apply to the entire wav file and will keep your edits consistent and should make your work flow easier. you are likely causing SBEs when you are going back an editing the files after tracking. fades would be the only thing i can think of that may be necessary to be done after tracking but generally you should be able to do that prior as well.

also, try to get in the habit of saving your cue sheet in CDWave - it makes it much easier to go back and retrack a file down the road.

Jeff runs Small Diaphragm ADKs - not sure if hes been out taping lately, but i imagine your paths will/have crossed at some point in Yellow Springs

[dorrcoq]

+T for wanting to get your files correct!  I have pointed out SBE's to a few people on the archive, and got comments like "well, I can't hear them, so I don't care".  Come on!  This is the ARCHIVE!  Shouldn't all the files be as perfect as possible?

[F.O.Bean]

+T for wanting to get your files correct!  I have pointed out SBE's to a few people on the archive, and got comments like "well, I can't hear them, so I don't care".  Come on!  This is the ARCHIVE!  Shouldn't all the files be as perfect as possible?

AGREED!