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Panasonic ZS-7 and ZS-10: Ideal settings for concert video?
« on: August 14, 2011, 10:25:39 AM »
i've played with both of my cameras quite a bit, but i can never seem to get over the low light, and overall tough stage lighting of concerts.  outdoors on a sunny day, video is amazing.  but for some reason, my concert footage tends to be soft edged, less crisp and pixelated (if that makes sense).

i've mostly used Ai but have tried out other manual settings (with not so great results).  What works best for you?
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Re: Panasonic ZS-7 and ZS-10: Ideal settings for concert video?
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2011, 11:24:52 PM »
Using the semi-manual mode:

intelligent exposure on
continuous-AF off - AF at start of clip only

Dark and indoors at a concert won't come out spectacular, but well enough and better than cheaper P&S cameras.
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Re: Panasonic ZS-7 and ZS-10: Ideal settings for concert video?
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2011, 12:22:50 AM »
Using the semi-manual mode:

intelligent exposure on
continuous-AF off - AF at start of clip only

Dark and indoors at a concert won't come out spectacular, but well enough and better than cheaper P&S cameras.

this is exactly what i'm needing.  i'm new to photog stuff in general.  i have a basic understanding but i'm a total noob.  thanks!
Mics:
DPA 4023 (Cardioid)
DPA 4028 (Subcardioid)
DPA 4018V (Supercardioid)
Earthworks TC25 (Omni) 

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Grace Design Lunatec V3 (Oade ACM)
Edirol UA-5 (bm2p+ Mod)

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Sound Devices MixPre10 II
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Re: Panasonic ZS-7 and ZS-10: Ideal settings for concert video?
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2011, 04:27:56 PM »
Please post your results of how the settings worked for you. I just reviewed a show I got this weekend and using AI it was a disaster.

Using the semi-manual mode:

intelligent exposure on
continuous-AF off - AF at start of clip only

Dark and indoors at a concert won't come out spectacular, but well enough and better than cheaper P&S cameras.

this is exactly what i'm needing.  i'm new to photog stuff in general.  i have a basic understanding but i'm a total noob.  thanks!
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Re: Panasonic ZS-7 and ZS-10: Ideal settings for concert video?
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2011, 07:35:23 PM »
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Re: Panasonic ZS-7 and ZS-10: Ideal settings for concert video?
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2011, 02:31:42 PM »
I have a Panasonic Lumix DMC-Z7 (I think), anyway I generally use the automatic mode but have recently discovered if I make a custom setting with the light a bit lower my videos turn out much better ie less white washed.

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Re: Panasonic ZS-7 and ZS-10: Ideal settings for concert video?
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2011, 04:52:30 PM »
I used to just use the intelligent (auto) mode and got some great shots, but they often suffered from white out and lighting saturation.  Then I switched to the normal picture mode and manually set the exposure to the lowest setting.  This resulted in some great concert video with no more white out and a nice balance of colors.  If the concert lighting is dark and/or you are at a distance, you will probably need to up the exposure some.  Or you could set it to auto mode since you won't have to worry about white out and let the camera do all the work.  I should mention that I own a ZS-3.  I LOVE this camera not only for the great HD concert footage it takes, but it also takes awesome pictures and is a fine camera for use with the family and vacations etc.  (sorry that is a poorly worded sentence)
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Re: Panasonic ZS-7 and ZS-10: Ideal settings for concert video?
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2011, 05:04:17 PM »
I have used exactly the same settings as genesisof with very good results.  I picked up a used Lumix DMC-ZS3 recently and am very happy with the performance, especially the audio quality.  It seems to tolorate high sound pressure levels well.  A friend of mine has a ZS7 which has decent audio in most cases but the auto-level seems to be tripped up by mixes that have a lot of bass.  The high end disappears when the bass booms.  My ZS3 doesn't seem to have this problem.  The sound is fairly well-balenced even at louder shows.
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Re: Panasonic ZS-7 and ZS-10: Ideal settings for concert video?
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2011, 09:03:13 PM »
I've not got a ZS10 and tried it out for the first time a couple weeks ago at the Fox Theatre in Oakland.

I tried out the 1080p mode, and although I like the slight increase in quality and (obviously) size over 720p, the 30 minute limit is a huge pain in the ass. One more thing to juggle along with batteries and song length.

I've uploaded videos from the show here.

Picture quality is noticeably better than that of the ZS3, and I agree that the mics are just a bit more sensitive than those on the ZS3/7. The only bit I'm disappointed with is that, like the ZS3, the picture still goes out of focus when zooming in or out. The best compromise seems to be zooming in half-way between your anticipated maximum-wide and maximum-tele points. This way, the closer you are to the initial auto-focus when you hit record the clearer the picture, and the quality loss is lessened the further away you go. Staying zoomed out or zooming all the way in before recording makes everything very blurry very quickly as soon as you start to move away from that point.

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Q-AF: On
C-AF: Off
Digi-zoom: Off
AF assist: On
Stabilizer: On
Quality: FSH (1080p) or SH (720p)
Active Mode (image stabilizer): On
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Re: Panasonic ZS-7 and ZS-10: Ideal settings for concert video?
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2011, 04:20:33 AM »
I've had some of the same issues.  Will be using my ZS-10 for the 1st time at a concert next week.  So it looks like the best way to do it is use the manual exposure method?  Am I right?

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Re: Panasonic ZS-7 and ZS-10: Ideal settings for concert video?
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2011, 04:35:25 PM »
so, can someone explain to me what all the files in the AVCHD folder is for?  the only files you really need are the .mts files, right?  what are all the other folders and files for?
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Re: Panasonic ZS-7 and ZS-10: Ideal settings for concert video?
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2011, 05:58:35 AM »
Essentially it's just the .mts files that you need. The other files contain additional information such as playlist, title, thumbnail, clip info metadata etc. sometimes needed by other software for playback, not essential though.

More info here http://www.avchduser.com/articles/avchd_to_bluray.jsp

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Re: Panasonic ZS-7 and ZS-10: Ideal settings for concert video?
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2011, 01:26:42 PM »
Essentially it's just the .mts files that you need. The other files contain additional information such as playlist, title, thumbnail, clip info metadata etc. sometimes needed by other software for playback, not essential though.

More info here http://www.avchduser.com/articles/avchd_to_bluray.jsp

thanks!
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DPA 4023 (Cardioid)
DPA 4028 (Subcardioid)
DPA 4018V (Supercardioid)
Earthworks TC25 (Omni) 

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Grace Design Lunatec V3 (Oade ACM)
Edirol UA-5 (bm2p+ Mod)

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Re: Panasonic ZS-7 and ZS-10: Ideal settings for concert video?
« Reply #13 on: November 30, 2011, 08:13:54 PM »
Essentially it's just the .mts files that you need. The other files contain additional information such as playlist, title, thumbnail, clip info metadata etc. sometimes needed by other software for playback, not essential though.

More info here http://www.avchduser.com/articles/avchd_to_bluray.jsp

For example - if I put only the .mts files on an SD card and put the card into my blu-ray player and try to play them - it's hit or miss whether they'll play.  But if I take the chip out of my camera - they'll all play nicely because of the information found in those other folders.
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Re: Panasonic ZS-7 and ZS-10: Ideal settings for concert video?
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2011, 03:59:52 PM »
if you are at a show with heavy spotlights on the singer, lower the exposure -1 or -2 until the singers face looks like a face

If you are at a show that is just really dark, like in a small club,  get as close the the stage as possible

I dont specifically know all the internal settings of the ZS line, the above is general advice. I can tell you the following cameras are MUCH better in various concert settings:

Sony HX9V (real small)
Canon SX40 (big zoom)
Panasonic FZ150 (even has a mic input)

Here is a clip with a couple Panasonic SD600 using manual exposure and a HX9v in AI at a HOB gig
Hx9v is the close cam
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsiR9fNb0ns

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