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Gear / Technical Help => Ask The Tapers => Topic started by: livejamz on December 02, 2008, 03:31:51 PM
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So I am starting to tape again. I have been running video and is working out great. I have my son who is wanting to get into running audio. I have a Minidisc recorder that I used a couple years ago. Wanted some suggestion if to try and use it or look at picking up something else. Don't have allot of money to spend.
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if you already have mics, look for a rockboxed iriver on ebay
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if you give a price of how much you are willing/able to spend, pointed advice will be much easier to give.
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Open taping, or "not so open" taping???
Terry
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Around $500 stealth taping
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r-09hr
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r-09hr
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My 2 cents worth... if you don't have a decent set of mics, get a decent set of mics, because that's where the majority of your sound quality is determined. It's natural to focus on the recorder because that is what the touch and handle, but the mics are where the sound gets captured.
R09HR is a good recorder, but that eats up at least half your budget, and the temptation is to to skimp on mics after that, just make sure you don't skimp on mics. A friend of mine has been making great tapes with some Church Audio cards, running mic-in to the R09HR. If you get CA-11 mics with cardioid and omni caps, and an R09HR you should be within your budget. That combo seems to have decent synergy.
But, don't be afraid to blow your whole budget on good mics (like DPA4061) and run that into your minidisc. The minidisc may be old technology, but it's not junk. Some of them have very good preamps, and it's better to have clear music at 16bit, than crappy noise at 24 bit.
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Get good mics before you want to buy a recorder. I owned a pair of giant squid omni and card mics and i though they were PERFECT...until I heard other microphones.
take a look at this post. Mic Suggestion for R09HR (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,113190.0.html)
Usually consider the mics first as THE most important to what you want to record, and NOT which mic best fits a recorder.
Usual rule of thumb:
Mics = 90-95% importance to recorded result
Preamp = 2.5-5% importance
Deck's A/D = 2.5% of audible result
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Mics are vital and I agree with the post about spending a lot on them now and using the MD. Then when you can afford it, go to a solid state recorder.
I have 4 pairs of mics and 4 decks. I still haven't made up my mind yet. :P
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One thing to consider with your recorder also is whether or not you want to record for yourself, or to share in torrents. I know a few of the bigger torrent hosting sites do not allow minidisc sourced shows to be posted anymore. I agree that your mics should be where you sink most of your budget, but a R-09, iriver, or some similar flash recorder would be a next important second option once you decide on your mics. Nevaton MCE400's are great sounding omni mics if you want to look into that option. I like them better than DPA's or most of the small mics available right now. TNJazz is a dealer for them if you want to find out more.
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*They do not allow standard LOSSY (compressed) MD recordings to be torrented...HIMD/PCM'd stuff is fine.
What do you have? An old Sony or Sharp? Get a decent set of mics and power supply and just use the MD deck if you are recording for yourself,..if you plan on torrenting shows, you're gonna have to use a deck that records in a lossless manner.
A decent set of mics and a standard MD deck is *quite* capable of producing nice recordings.
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Get good mics before you want to buy a recorder. I owned a pair of giant squid omni and card mics and i though they were PERFECT...until I heard other microphones.
take a look at this post. Mic Suggestion for R09HR (http://taperssection.com/index.php/topic,113190.0.html)
Usually consider the mics first as THE most important to what you want to record, and NOT which mic best fits a recorder.
Usual rule of thumb:
Mics = 90-95% importance to recorded result
Preamp = 2.5-5% importance
Deck's A/D = 2.5% of audible result
While I generally agree with what everyone is saying, I think this rule of thumb is kinda bogus just because I think the preamp has more to say about the sound than this.
For example, put an Aerco or Mini-MP (my two favorites) behind any microphone and I am confident that you'd conclude your sound has improved significantly more than 5% over the sound you'd get with the cheapest preamp.
(AT-853s are a good example...lots of battery box samples on LMA, but there's also some Aerco backed 853 recordings that completely smoke the BB recordings IMHO.)
Having said this, good microphone placement isn't included, but it accounts for more than 50% of the sound. For example, I think that lousy mics with marginal equipment, but with the mics located in the best location sound much better than the best rig money can buy (mics, preamps, AND recorder) in the worst location.
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*They do not allow standard LOSSY (compressed) MD recordings to be torrented...HIMD/PCM'd stuff is fine.
What do you have? An old Sony or Sharp? Get a decent set of mics and power supply and just use the MD deck if you are recording for yourself,..if you plan on torrenting shows, you're gonna have to use a deck that records in a lossless manner.
A decent set of mics and a standard MD deck is *quite* capable of producing nice recordings.
I agree the old md decks were nice and if you dont have alot of cash its better to stay with the md and buy a set of mics and at least a battery box. And it would be better if you purchased them from me.... just kidding.... but really check out my loaner thread and borrow a pair of my mics try them. There are also some good deals on some nice used mics in the yardsale AT 853 with a battery box is a good mic there is somebody selling a really nice battery box for $35 in the yardsale. I think you can if you want also pickup a good used R09 for around $200 if you look around here.
Chris