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Blumeim/Figure 8/MS
« on: June 15, 2004, 05:22:49 PM »
Can someone help me with the pros/cons of these 3 configs and when they should/shouldn't be used?

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Re: Blumeim/Figure 8/MS
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2004, 05:27:51 PM »
So is figure 8 an actual config or just a setting for the mics to be able to do blumein?  Sorry for the dumb questions.  Just never had this many possibilities before.  Should be an good learning experience.  :)

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Re: Blumeim/Figure 8/MS
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2004, 05:31:12 PM »
Good to know.

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Re: Blumeim/Figure 8/MS
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2004, 05:46:21 PM »
what Moke said...

Blumlein has a natural bass roll off so you shouldn't have to worry about running a rolloff on the mics or the pre with that config.

I've used it with great results on stage for acoustic jazz music. I've heard that it is great with all kinds of acoustic music (Moke's classical recordings are amazing), I'd like to try it on stage with some acoustic guitars!

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Re: Blumeim/Figure 8/MS
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2004, 05:51:57 PM »
What about MS?  Read alot about decoding MS.  What exactly do you have to do post when configed like that?

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Re: Blumeim/Figure 8/MS
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2004, 05:55:37 PM »
What do y'all mean by "up close" for Blumein? 
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Re: Blumeim/Figure 8/MS
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2004, 05:59:11 PM »
up close = pretty far fob, stage lip, or even on stage.

Kevin - there are some tutorials on MS on the web. I have yet to do it myself, look around and read up. It's not hard but it takes some work. Basically you'll record the M (mid) to one channel and the S (side) to another. Put them on the computer and using Wavelab (maybe other programs offer decoding I know Wavelab does) you will mix to taste.

the M is generally a cardioid, the S is figure 8. when you mix you can control how much of the S information is present in each channel, thus controlling the width of the stereo field.

there are others on here more experienced with M/S than me though. I know how to do it just haven't done it yet!
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Re: Blumeim/Figure 8/MS
« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2004, 06:01:13 PM »
Very cool.

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Re: Blumeim/Figure 8/MS
« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2004, 06:07:14 PM »
i've run blumlien on stage and on the stage lip...to be honest, if the crowd is chatty, a vertical XY is is better.  if the room is quiet, blumlien would work great.  mid-side is something i will try one day, but i don't want to experiment with it in situations where i am the only taper there.
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Re: Blumeim/Figure 8/MS
« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2004, 06:09:59 PM »
several portable preamps allow for M/S decoding on the fly...

the Aeta PSP3, Lunatec V2 & V3 do... maybe others?

to do it on the fly you need practice and a good set of heaphones that provide a lot of isolation.

NicksPicks has a lot of experience with on the fly m/s...

I think doing it on the computer will let you get it just right though.
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Re: Blumeim/Figure 8/MS
« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2004, 06:22:37 PM »
the stuff that gets the most play in my collection is all from you Moke... Hutchins Consort owns your face! Joe Higgs too, best 4011 tapes I've heard ;D
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Re: Blumeim/Figure 8/MS
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2004, 08:37:22 PM »
Figure 8 is to Blumlein as Omni is to Binaural :)
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Re: Blumeim/Figure 8/MS
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2004, 11:24:50 AM »
Poked around and couldn't find it.....does SoundForge decode M/S?

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Re: Blumeim/Figure 8/MS
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2004, 11:44:38 AM »
yes.  maybe in "channel mixer"?  i've definitely used SF for m/s>stereo mixdowns.
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Re: Blumeim/Figure 8/MS
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2004, 02:01:17 PM »
let's not forget about the schoeps pre-amp, the vms series.  i have the vms02ib and we have always mixed on the fly, with varied results.  something i really want to try is to do the two separate channels and mix, post show, that way if the width isn't set right, you can always fix it. 

just had to ad my two cents.. ;)
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