Topic: Just Out of Curiosity (Schoeps + 722/744 Content)

[grider]

if Schoeps are so popular and are widely considered outstanding mics, and since the 722/744 is considered such an easy to use and state of the art all in one box, why is no one pairing Schoeps mics with the 722/744 units?  I don't recall ever seeing a recording made with this combination in circulation, which seems strange; I see DPA, AKG and MG but no Schoeps, what's the story?

[MattD]

I imagine that the low end on that recording would be out of control. I'd be willing to try, though. I don't know many locals with Schoeps. Sleepypedro has a set - perhaps next time he and I meet up at a show, we can. If not, Skalinder and I can do a recording in the fall - but I'm sure there'll be Schoeps > 722 sources out by then.

[Brian]

whenever i get my 722(should be soon actually) all of my recordings will either be schoeps>722 or schoeps>v2>722.

i'm not so sure the low end would be out of control though.  maybe using the 722/744t pre's, but that's nothing that can't be fixed in post if it needs it.  I kept my v2 because i'm positive it is better than the internal pres of the SD units.  I'm willing to bet bass response/management would bet much better as well.

[Lil Kim Jong-Il]

Weren't those Panic-Fox Theater shows recorded with MK41s>M248>722?  I haven't listened to them in a while but I remember that they are very warm.  Those MK41s have much less bass rolloff than the AK43s.  The AK43 tapes I've made sound more even.  To the purest, that is probably an indictment of both the AK43 and the 722 ;-)

[Brian]

mk41 = hypercardioid

ak43 = wide cardioid

bass between these two caps are two different ball games IMO with the ak43 not having that much rolloff on the lows if any at all

did you mean ak50s? if so that makes sense

edit: and yes the panic atlanta run recorded by Waldron (Joe W.) were definitely schoeps>oade pre>722

[Zee]

Weren't those Panic-Fox Theater shows recorded with MK41s>M248>722?  I haven't listened to them in a while but I remember that they are very warm.  Those MK41s have much less bass rolloff than the AK43s.  The AK43 tapes I've made sound more even.  To the purest, that is probably an indictment of both the AK43 and the 722 ;-)

over on digitalpanic fox has some shows seeding but with the v3 digi out. I think at the gorge he was running just the pre out of the v3. Im going to run some comps with the 4022>722 and 4022>v2>722 in LA to see what its all about.

[Brian Skalinder]

I also think part of the reason you don't see all that many Schoeps > 7xx recordings is because quite a few of us are incredibly pleased with our Schoeps > V3 combos (and me, anyway, waiting for an affordable, basic 24-bit recorder).

[gewwang]

Boswell and Pollock run Schoeps>722/44

[Lil Kim Jong-Il]

mk41 = hypercardioid

ak43 = wide cardioid

bass between these two caps are two different ball games IMO with the ak43 not having that much rolloff on the lows if any at all

did you mean ak50s? if so that makes sense

edit: and yes the panic atlanta run recorded by Waldron (Joe W.) were definitely schoeps>oade pre>722

The 40s and 43s have a little more rolloff (1-2db diff at 50hz if I'm reading the chart right) compared to the MK4 on the response charts I found.  I never owned schoeps so don't know first hand.  I guess I say the neumanns rolloff because the DPA4023s are flat to below 50hz.  In any case, the AK43 and MK41 have about the same bass roll-off curve (down 4db @ 50hz).  So since the neumans have that HF boost, they seem to balance out the bass accentuation of the 722.    Schoeps being flat on top, the schoeps>722 tapes I heard seem to suffer from the bass accentuation of the 722.

I'm having a hard time believing that the 722 is flat compared to the tapes I got with the V3.  Maybe it's just my abused ears but I think the schoeps>V3 I've heard is a more even sounding blend.  The only schoeps>722 tapes I have are those fox shows, so maybe it was the mix that night or the room but they seem really strong in the low end resulting in the high end being a bit recessed.

So mildly off topic - has anyone done a straight up comp using the V3 or V2 to line in on the 722?  I'm wondering if the LF accentuation I hear in the 722 mic input would still be there using the line input.

[JasonR]

I think this is pretty representative of what my rig sounds like: http://bt.etree.org/details.php?id=15313

- Jason

[creekfreak]

average schoeps user spent too much on the mics and can't afford the 722

[Brian]

In any case, the AK43 and MK41 have about the same bass roll-off curve (down 4db @ 50hz).

not really.  they might both be -4dB down at 50Hz but, the AK43's go down all the way to 20Hz.  the MK41's stop at 40Hz.

that means a lot on terms of bass management IMO.

I definitely take back what i said about the 43's not having that much rolloff though.  -12dB @ 20Hz is a pretty good rolloff......most of it starting below 50Hz.  However, I think frequencies below 60Hz need to be attenuated somewhat for our purposes anyway for better overall response.

[Lil Kim Jong-Il]

not really.  they might both be -4dB down at 50Hz but, the AK43's go down all the way to 20Hz.  the MK41's stop at 40Hz.

I didn't realize that they don't go that low. I thought that chart was truncated. I see now that the specification table indicates the bottom is 40hz.

Go neumanns ;-)

[cfbarlow]

Yo Chris, I have a killer NMAS show from South Carolina that is MK 21 NOS ->cmc6XT->V3 (pre-AD)->722 and it smokes!!  Let me know if you want a copy, I'll send it out.

[Brian]

not really. they might both be -4dB down at 50Hz but, the AK43's go down all the way to 20Hz. the MK41's stop at 40Hz.

Go neumanns ;-)

it's just too hard, for me, to decide between those top three!

one day i want schoeps, the next i want neumanns, two days later i want DPA's.

hopefully i can just own them all eventually