Topic: sony 3000es anomaly?

[sygdwm]

i can only get my sub to work w/ sources up to 24/48. the sub and the A.F.D. option does NOT work while playing 24/96 dvd-a's. any suggestions? in the troubleshooting section it mentions that the soundfields do NOT work for sources over 24/48. this is a deal breaker.

[jhirte]

Weird....

Just got mine today - haven't hooked it up yet (and also don't have a DVD-A to test).

[sygdwm]

dont get me wrong, the frickin box sings, but i need bass. my bookshelfs cant do it all.

[Kyle]

First off, take it out of AFD mode and set your input to coax, opti, analog - whatever. Put it in direct mode. This really does sound better.

If I put in a Wavelab 2496 DVD-A into my Pioneer DV-578A, the Sony will show 96kHz stream on the display. So I know it is getting the signal. If I put in a store-bought (read copy protected) DVD-A, my receiver shows a 48kHz stream. My dvd player downsamples all copyprotected DVD-A's to 2448 through the digital output. Maybe this is your problem. I read a discussion on audioasylum about the AFD and the prevailing opinion was that is sounds better off - so this is what I did. I have tried it both ways and am not sure if I hear a difference (although using Direct is def an improvement), byt ymmv. Give it a go

edited for turkey related misspellings

[grayp]

i noticed this as well.   when i plug the 722 direct into the receiver it shows a 96 stream but will not change out of 2 channel mode.  i want the sub in that scenario as well so let me know if you figure it out.

gray

[sygdwm]

these 24/96 dvd-a's were all created in wavelab. none of them are store bought. i knew that direct would sound better, but the sub doesnt work at all on direct. i have assigned the correct inputs. the only time the sub works is in A.F.D 2.1 mode as long as the source is not 24/96. everything else movies, tv, cd's, dvd-a's up to 24/48 the sub works fine. so it sounds like im fuct. for referecce, my source is a pioneer 563-a assigned to optical>scad input and pioneer dvr cable box assigned to coax>dvd.

[jhirte]

these 24/96 dvd-a's were all created in wavelab. none of them are store bought. i knew that direct would sound better, but the sub doesnt work at all on direct. i have assigned the correct inputs. the only time the sub works is in A.F.D 2.1 mode as long as the source is not 24/96. everything else movies, tv, cd's, dvd-a's up to 24/48 the sub works fine. so it sounds like im fuct. for referecce, my source is a pioneer 563-a assigned to optical>scad input and pioneer dvr cable box assigned to coax>dvd.

hrmm... I have same DVD player too. (great unit IMO).

What version of wavelab are you using (out of curiosity).

[sygdwm]

5.0a. agreed on the 563. love it.

[Kyle]

these 24/96 dvd-a's were all created in wavelab. none of them are store bought. i knew that direct would sound better, but the sub doesnt work at all on direct. i have assigned the correct inputs. the only time the sub works is in A.F.D 2.1 mode as long as the source is not 24/96. everything else movies, tv, cd's, dvd-a's up to 24/48 the sub works fine. so it sounds like im fuct. for referecce, my source is a pioneer 563-a assigned to optical>scad input and pioneer dvr cable box assigned to coax>dvd.

that really bites. My only suggestion would be to set the Pioneer to downsample to 2448, but then that kinda defeats the purpose of 2496. This really eats it - I do not have a sub so I never noticed this before - def not cool - but not a deal breaker for me. If I had a sub though.....

[sygdwm]

funny you mention downsampling. i used to downsample to 24/48 just to make a show fit on one disk, but i could hear the difference, so i stopped doing that. oh well.  <~~me

[jhirte]

I currently have mine setup to run stereo w/sub through the AFD. It does sound different, but atleast its outputting a signal to the sub. One thing I guess that could be done, is run a Y cable from the L/R pre outs, to a sub???  I dont know how much diff it'd sound, but it'd be an option...

What I thought was kind of frustrating was I had to have a multichannel source playing in order to setup the AFD to create the SW channel for stereo playback.... that was very irritating.

[twoodruff]

drew got it figured out yet? sounds complicated, my ideal is you come and set it up here and make it play

[sygdwm]

drew got it figured out yet? sounds complicated, my ideal is you come and set it up here and make it play

can do.

I currently have mine setup to run stereo w/sub through the AFD. It does sound different, but atleast its outputting a signal to the sub. One thing I guess that could be done, is run a Y cable from the L/R pre outs, to a sub???  I dont know how much diff it'd sound, but it'd be an option...

What I thought was kind of frustrating was I had to have a multichannel source playing in order to setup the AFD to create the SW channel for stereo playback.... that was very irritating.

i will try this. thanks +t.

[jhirte]

I got a DVDA to play with sub last night (24/48). If only my MT would record digi in at 24/96 I could test it that...

[scervin]

I currently have mine setup to run stereo w/sub through the AFD. It does sound different, but atleast its outputting a signal to the sub. One thing I guess that could be done, is run a Y cable from the L/R pre outs, to a sub???  I dont know how much diff it'd sound, but it'd be an option...

What I thought was kind of frustrating was I had to have a multichannel source playing in order to setup the AFD to create the SW channel for stereo playback.... that was very irritating.

While this might work, I would think that if the fronts are set to small you would only be outputting freq. abouve the crossover point selected.

[Nick's Picks]

yet another reason why full range speakers are tops.


so you have the speaker setup in the menu dialed in properly I can assume?
I'd call Doug w/this question.  anyone there can probably answer it for you.  its a defect i've never heard of.  i'm thinking its a setting in the system.

[sygdwm]

new problem. the 3000es has been moved to its original intended home. after hooking it all up, i got the "error 11 protection" message. after rewiring, more rewiring, and completly unplugging everything, i still get the same  error. i , then, noted that the speakers are both 4ohm. can the 3000es handle a 4ohm load? even if this is the problem, it persisted when NOTHING but the ac cord was plugged in. 

[nickgregory]

new problem. the 3000es has been moved to its original intended home. after hooking it all up, i got the "error 11 protection" message. after rewiring, more rewiring, and completly unplugging everything, i still get the same  error. i , then, noted that the speakers are both 4ohm. can the 3000es handle a 4ohm load? even if this is the problem, it persisted when NOTHING but the ac cord was plugged in. 

call sony, I got a similar error on mine and they fixed it...dont remember the exact error message but sony can probably tell you the issue.

[sygdwm]

not what i wanted to hear, but thanks for the quick reply. +t

[Nick's Picks]

more of what you dont want to hear...they are not rated for 4ohm loads.

[sygdwm]

fuck.

[Nick's Picks]

it pays to look into these things ahead of time.  always ask "will this amp drive my speakers properly?"..its an important question when you have a 4ohm load to drive.

that doesn't help you now...but maybe next time.

[twoodruff]

it pays to look into these things ahead of time.  always ask "will this amp drive my speakers properly?"..its an important question when you have a 4ohm load to drive.

that doesn't help you now...but maybe next time.

all my fault

[twoodruff]

anyone want to buy some dynaudio audience 8 speakers, sound is fantastic

[sygdwm]

anyone want to buy some dynaudio audience 8 speakers, sound is fantastic

you wanna buy some DCM's? they sound like crap.

[twoodruff]

anyone want to buy some dynaudio audience 8 speakers, sound is fantastic

you wanna buy some DCM's? they sound like crap.

i still own those

[sygdwm]

sorry. i know. just busting your balls. i had to make myself laugh, cause i hate my job. 

[keepongoin]

anyone want to buy some dynaudio audience 8 speakers, sound is fantastic

how much?

[sygdwm]

bumping this cause a new thread was silly.

question:

do you guys "eq"? what i mean is, when i cut down the bass, i "hear" a slight noise and see the little light on the screen that says EQ come on. does this mean it is no longer *direct*?

btw, all the problems from this thread have been solved. i just bought one of these too. i was "auditioning" trey's, but i had 301's at the the time w/ a sub that wont work w/ the 3000es, but thats okay cause i just got a pair of b&w 604's. i kinda miss my sub, and i may get one eventually that will accept rca inputs, but right now my credit card hates me.

[scervin]

At least you got rid of the Blows er I mean Bose      I'm assuming those were the 301's

[L Ron Hoover]

do you guys "eq"? what i mean is, when i cut down the bass, i "hear" a slight noise and see the little light on the screen that says EQ come on. does this mean it is no longer *direct*?

Yes, it no longer means it's direct. At this point, you're digitally manipulating the stream. Don't worry about the slight noise. Mine does it too.

[sygdwm]

At least you got rid of the Blows er I mean Bose      I'm assuming those were the 301's

i kept them. i blew one the paper 8's years ago, and replaced them w/ free-air rockford fosgates.   

do you guys "eq"? what i mean is, when i cut down the bass, i "hear" a slight noise and see the little light on the screen that says EQ come on. does this mean it is no longer *direct*?

Yes, it no longer means it's direct. At this point, you're digitally manipulating the stream. Don't worry about the slight noise. Mine does it too.

i thought so, i didnt mean that it sounded bad. thanks. +t

[Nick's Picks]

I think that even in direct mode that you mention, there is some DSP going on.
I shut off my EQ, and I can't make adjustments at all.  what you see is what you get.

[sygdwm]

I think that even in direct mode that you mention, there is some DSP going on.
I shut off my EQ, and I can't make adjustments at all.  what you see is what you get.

how do you go about applying no DSP?

[Nick's Picks]

in the menu.  there is an EQ off/on option.  shut it off and then all tone controlls are grayed out and unobtainable.