Topic: Q?: Beyerdynamic: MCE530 vs. MC930?

[ArchivalAudio]

hey
all you Beyerdynamic team advocates....
I am just wondering how these 2 mics compare

I know there are a ton of folks who really dig the MC930's
but the MCE530 are smaller w/o a 15db pad or the lowcut switch
while they tout a slightly lower bottom specs

okay here's the paper specs:
MCE530

(measured at 48 V phantom power) Transducer type. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Condenser (back electret)
Operating principle. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pressure gradient
Frequency response. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 30 - 20,000 Hz
Polar pattern. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cardioid
Open ciruit voltage at 1 kHz (0 dB = 1 V/Pa). . . 5 mV/Pa = -46 dBV
Nominal impedance. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 200 Ω
Load impedance. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . > 1000 Ω
Max. SPL at 1 kHz. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 136 dB (at 48 V phantom power)
                                                                          126 dB (at 12 V phantom power)
S/N ratio rel. to 1 Pa. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 64 dB
A-weighted equivalent SPL. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 22 dB
Supply voltage. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11 - 52 V phantom power (recommended phantom power: 48 V)
Current consumption. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . < 6 mA
Connection. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3-pin XLR, male
Dimensions. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Length: 100 mm Diameter: 19.5 mm Weight without cable. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 36 g


and the
MC930
Transducer type. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . True condenser
Operating principle. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Pressure gradient
Frequency response. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 40 - 20,000 Hz
Polar pattern. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Cardioid
Open circuit voltage at 1 kHz (0 dB = 1 V/Pa). . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 30 mV/Pa
Nominal impedance. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 180 Ω
Load impedance. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1000 Ω
Max. SPL at 1 kHz. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 125 dB (with pre-attenuation: 140 dB) Signal-to-noise ratio rel. to 1 Pa. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 71 dB
A-weighted equivalent SPL. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 16 dB
Bass roll-off filter. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . switchable, 6 dB/octave at 250 Hz
Power supply. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 11 - 52 V
Current consumption. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4.6 mA
Connection. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3-pin XLR male
Dimensions. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Length: 128 mm Diameter: 21 mm Weight without cable. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 115 g


does any one use the MCE 530's?

again
just wondering

thanx
for looking

-- Ian

[stirinthesauce]

the mce is an electric mic.  As for how it performs, well, only one way to find out    I've been curious as well to how it stands up to the 930's, of which I adore and prefer over most other sd cards out there.

[ArchivalAudio]

the mce is an electric mic.  As for how it performs, well, only one way to find out    I've been curious as well to how it stands up to the 930's, of which I adore and prefer over most other sd cards out there.

alright...
now I feel stupid...
so what is the real difference between an electret and a transducer... if they are both phantom powered...

[stirinthesauce]

the mce is an electric mic.  As for how it performs, well, only one way to find out    I've been curious as well to how it stands up to the 930's, of which I adore and prefer over most other sd cards out there.

alright...
now I feel stupid...
so what is the real difference between an electret and a transducer... if they are both phantom powered...

Condenser Microphone
The capsule of a condenser microphone consists of two electrically conductive surfaces, being about 1/100 mm apart from each other and forming a sandwich: surface-air-surface. One of the surfaces is made out of a thin film which is covered with conductive material (we call it the membrane or diaphragm), the other surface is a solid body, we call it backplate. In electrical engineering, this arrangement is called capacitor or condenser. The motion of the diaphragm in front of the backplate causes a continuous change of capacitance, which can be transfomed into an electric signal in two different ways. The one way (very often built) is called LF-condenser microphone, the other way is called RF-condenser microphone.

Electret Technology
This is a technology of making LF condenser microphones. The charge is not provided externally as DC bias, but one of the plates uses electret material to get the charge from. Electret material is a plastic film that by manufacturing carries an electric charge. Modern technology makes the charge live very long even in a moist environment. Early or simple electret mics use the electret film as diaphragm, at the expense of the acoustic quality. In the last 15 ... 20 years, back electret technology has been breaking through. The electret film has got its place on the non-moving backplate and the diaphragm as acoustical most sensible component is made out of the very same material as any highly professional mic's diaphragm. Today we are at a point where a good electret condenser microphone may sound the same or even better than an externally biased (="true" or non-electret) microphone. There is no reason anymore to consider electret microphones cheap or crappy.

Taken from the defunct page of M. Hartkopf

[rowjimmytour]

Not sure about the mce530 but I sure like my mc930's so far and here are my pulls so far:
http://www.archive.org/details/tff2008-05-21.tff2008-05-21.flac16
http://www.archive.org/details/pmw2008-05-10.pmw2008-05-10.flac16
http://www.archive.org/details/bts2008-05-03.bts2008-05-03matrix.flac16

[TNJazz]

i believe the 530 shell is made of plastic so it's much lighter.  there's at least one person on this forum who has upgraded from the 530 to the 930 - check the team beyer threads.

[ArchivalAudio]

i believe the 530 shell is made of plastic so it's much lighter.  there's at least one person on this forum who has upgraded from the 530 to the 930 - check the team beyer threads.

hey
Dirk
thanx

yea
the 530 is much lighter and smaller
that's one reason I was wondering about the sound
 I thought they might be good for stealth

I check out the team boards
thanx

-- Ian