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Re: burning dvd-a's w/ wavelab5.0a
« Reply #15 on: September 08, 2004, 11:30:39 AM »
I am still trying to understand why people want to use DVD-A format for our purposes.  Can someone explain that to me? 

DVD-V is a more widely supported format.  The only benefit that I see from DVD-A is the additional supported sample rates, but who among us is recoding at 88.2k?  And if you can circulate at 48k, why record at 44.1 in the first place?  I just don't see the benefit of using DVD-A for 96k and 48k sourced material. 
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Re: burning dvd-a's w/ wavelab5.0a
« Reply #16 on: September 08, 2004, 03:49:05 PM »
I am still trying to understand why people want to use DVD-A format for our purposes.  Can someone explain that to me? 

DVD-V is a more widely supported format.  The only benefit that I see from DVD-A is the additional supported sample rates, but who among us is recoding at 88.2k?  And if you can circulate at 48k, why record at 44.1 in the first place?  I just don't see the benefit of using DVD-A for 96k and 48k sourced material. 

DVD-V only supports 16bit/48kHz while DVD-Audio supports 24bit/96kHz (maybe 192kHz?). So, to answer your question; for higher bit depth resolution.  ;)
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Re: burning dvd-a's w/ wavelab5.0a
« Reply #17 on: September 08, 2004, 04:23:52 PM »
I am still trying to understand why people want to use DVD-A format for our purposes.  Can someone explain that to me? 

DVD-V is a more widely supported format.  The only benefit that I see from DVD-A is the additional supported sample rates, but who among us is recoding at 88.2k?  And if you can circulate at 48k, why record at 44.1 in the first place?  I just don't see the benefit of using DVD-A for 96k and 48k sourced material. 

DVD-V only supports 16bit/48kHz while DVD-Audio supports 24bit/96kHz (maybe 192kHz?). So, to answer your question; for higher bit depth resolution.  ;)


not true.  DVD-V supports 16/48, 16/96, 24/48, and 24/96.

My reason is that my DVD-A player sounds much better than my old DVD-V player.  I have the software to do DVD-A, so why not?  I don't trade DVD-A's - people always want the FLAC's.
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Re: burning dvd-a's w/ wavelab5.0a
« Reply #18 on: September 08, 2004, 04:24:32 PM »
DVD-V only supports 16bit/48kHz while DVD-Audio supports 24bit/96kHz (maybe 192kHz?). So, to answer your question; for higher bit depth resolution.  ;)

DVD-V supports 16, 20, and 24 bit LPCM at 48kHz and 96kHz.  Those are the same bit depths and a subset of the sample rates supported by the DVD-V specification.  You maybe thinking of limitations of a specific player that might not support the full DVD specification set.

DVD-A will support 192K, which is the only advantage I see for the format and until the Deva or SD boxes are widely available, there doesn't seem to be alot of people recording at 192K in the field.

reference: http://www.pioneer.co.jp/crdl/tech/dvd/5-3-e.html

I wasn't being rhetorical, I really do want to understand why people are using DVD-A when the more common DVD-V format players support the same sample rates commonly used for ambient recording (16/48, 24/48, 24/96).
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Re: burning dvd-a's w/ wavelab5.0a
« Reply #19 on: September 08, 2004, 04:39:04 PM »
My reason is that my DVD-A player sounds much better than my old DVD-V player.  I have the software to do DVD-A, so why not?  I don't trade DVD-A's - people always want the FLAC's.

Does your DVD-A player also support DVD-V format?  I would guess that any multi-format player will yield the same quality audio for a given set of LPCM samples regardless of the higher level storage format.

If you already have the SW for DVD-A, I can see why you would do it.  I'm thinking about issues encountered like silverbullet trying to get a disc to play in his DVD-V player and the burner SW writing a DVD-A formatted disc.  It seems that the portability issue for 96k and lower can be addressed easily by not doing DVD-A. 

I'm interested in this because when my new DAW machine gets here this weekend, I'm going to start transferring my 48/16 DAT masters to HD and then archiving on DVD.  I'm trying to pick a playable format and portability is an issue for me.  I may not trade in DVD format, but I would like to be able to take DVDs to some non-taper household and have a reasonable chance of it playing.
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Re: burning dvd-a's w/ wavelab5.0a
« Reply #20 on: September 08, 2004, 04:48:57 PM »
pioneer dv-563a

I just picked up a new Pioneer DV-578A-s. BB had an opened 563a model but with no remote control for about $70. I brought with me a dvd-audio disc made by WaveLab 5.0a but it didn't play in the store on the 578A model. I saw the on screen menu pop up but no sound. I'm hoping it's b/c I made the dvd-audio disc wrong. I'll look into it some more. I've been saying that a lot lately. Can anyone confirm that wavlab dvd-audio disc will play in the Pioneer 578A-s model? I can't find anything on this newer model on this board.

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« Reply #21 on: September 08, 2004, 04:54:29 PM »
My reason is that my DVD-A player sounds much better than my old DVD-V player.  I have the software to do DVD-A, so why not?  I don't trade DVD-A's - people always want the FLAC's.

Does your DVD-A player also support DVD-V format?  I would guess that any multi-format player will yield the same quality audio for a given set of LPCM samples regardless of the higher level storage format.

yes.  and yes, I agree they should have identical audio performance from LPCM.  that said, my Panny multi-format DVD player has a setting when using DVD-A that "optimizes performance for audio quality" (I can't tell the difference).  I have no idea what that means, or what it does, but maybe some multi-format players do have better LPCM playback from DVD-A compared to DVD-V (no evidence whatsoever to back that up).

Anyone who spends >$100 these days on a DVD player will likely end up with one that supports DVD-A.
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Re: burning dvd-a's w/ wavelab5.0a
« Reply #22 on: September 08, 2004, 04:57:52 PM »
Cool. I stand corrected. My bad. I tried to burn a 24bit show to a DVD-Video a little over a year ago and it was no dice. It threw back some crap about the specification not supporting it. I don't even remember what program it was, Nero or EZCD. I use WaveLab 5 now as well. I have only burned 1 DVD-A disc just to check it out. I can only play them back in my DVD burner with the correct software which is pointless for me as my computer runs to my home unit via optical. So, for me at the moment I have no use for DVD-A, and probably never will honestly since I just play FLACs.
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Re: burning dvd-a's w/ wavelab5.0a
« Reply #23 on: September 08, 2004, 05:06:01 PM »
Silverbullet,

You might want to check this out if you have not already. Read the user comments. It says it will play DVD-A, not specifically ones burned in WaveLab though. As long as it is LPCM it should work.

http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers.php?DVDnameid=4355&Search=Search&#comments

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Re: burning dvd-a's w/ wavelab5.0a
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2004, 05:48:12 PM »
I just can't win. It's a conspiracy I tell ya :P

Well I'm burning my 10th DVD, my second Wavlab dvd-A. If that doesn't work then I'm returning the unit tomorrow for a refund or exchange. I still got micro gaps between tracks with the dvd-a disc burned with audio-dvd-creator. With that quality I might as well just burn the 24/96 tracks to DVD and just play them from my lappie and windows media player.

I'm still hangin' in there. barely

thanks for the update. +T

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Re: burning dvd-a's w/ wavelab5.0a
« Reply #25 on: September 09, 2004, 01:10:38 PM »
Just an update on my Wavlab dvd-a experience. Although not completely pleasant I'm set now.

Last night I burned another wavlab dvd-a disc in a slightly different way but still following both instructions. The new Pioneer dv-578a-s still did not play the disc. Although I was able to get a menu screen nothing came through audio. Still thinking it might be my burning techniques I took my two dvd-a discs with me today to a couple of high end stores in my area. The first closer store had high end Pioneer, Sony, and two other brands but don't recall them at the moment. High end components easily topping a grand I'm sure. Anyway, we tried at least four units and none of them played my discs. So I went down south to another town. They had more of a selection. They had a $1500 Denon deck that did play my disc! although it did not fast forword or rewind it did skip from track to track. Another Denon 2200 model did the trick also lising for $599. The 2200 will soon be replaced so I grabbed the last one on the shelf for $499 with box, instructions and never used remote. Not sure it was a great deal but I'm happy with the Denon brand and I can go on learning new stuff. $525 was more than I wanted to pay. I get the feeling a lot of DVD-A players will have trouble playing Wavlab DVD-A discs.

edit: The Denon 2200 also seemed to fast forward and rewind but it didn't look like it was fast forwarding or rewinding very fast in the store.

If you have a player that plays Wavlab DVD-A disc then please list it here for the next newcomer :) I guess I should also mention that I was using DVD -R TDK discs. Seems like some other brands may be better or worse.

I picked up Peter Frampton Comes Alive DVD-a and noticed a couple of bonus videos that should be on the disc. I hope to next make a DVD-A disc with videos on it as well. Has anyone tried this yet?
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Re: burning dvd-a's w/ wavelab5.0a
« Reply #26 on: September 09, 2004, 01:25:12 PM »

all dvd-a's i have burned w/ wavelab5a play in my cheapo piooneer.
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« Reply #27 on: September 09, 2004, 01:51:21 PM »
All my DVD-A's burned with either Wave Lab or Disc Welder play fine in my Panasonic F85S and Toshiba 4960.
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« Reply #28 on: September 09, 2004, 03:02:04 PM »
There was an opened pioneer dv-563a for $70 with no remote at BB I'm kind of regreting I didn't test out now :P I don't think that would have had 6 rca outputs (one rca for each speaker).
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Re: burning dvd-a's w/ wavelab5.0a
« Reply #29 on: September 09, 2004, 03:22:23 PM »
There was an opened pioneer dv-563a for $70 with no remote at BB I'm kind of regreting I didn't test out now :P I don't think that would have had 6 rca outputs (one rca for each speaker). Is having 6 rca outputs for speakers very important? The last sales guy lead me to believe it's better to go that route into your audio receiver unit than using the dig coaxial output or dig optical output. Didn't make much sense to me since I get Dolby Digital sound from DVD movies with those same digital connections. What am I missing or is this a complete sales pitch? I'll be hooking up my Denon deck soon.

Just depends on which of the 2 has the nicer DAC in it. 

 

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