Author Topic: How would you tape in this situation? sample posted (Read 6733 times)

Belexes · « **on:** February 16, 2011, 07:41:19 PM »

I will be able to open tape an artist tomorrow night with an amplified acoustic guitar + vocal through one of those PA's that are just 2 speakers on tripods. Venue is a small restaurant.

Do I set up further back and grab the amplified mix or do I get close to escape it as much as possible? Also, any suggestions on mic capsule and config would be handy. Thanks!

darby · « **Reply #1 on:** February 16, 2011, 08:32:33 PM »

I had good luck in that situation using subcards/NOS back a few feet
that way you still alot of their instruments direct and get the vocals from the speakers

Lil Kim Jong-Il · « **Reply #2 on:** February 16, 2011, 09:12:16 PM »

I agree. I've had great results with both subs/nos and cards/ortf running on stage a foot or two in front of the artist's mic stand. I picked subs or cards depending on the proximity to crowd/tables.

Belexes · « **Reply #3 on:** February 16, 2011, 09:29:22 PM »

Thanks for the advice so far. I have the subcards on right now, but will keep the cards handy.

taperj · « **Reply #4 on:** February 19, 2011, 07:36:55 PM »

I'd agree with everything that's been said so far and just to toss another option in, I've had very good luck taping spanish guitarists(light vocals) setting up about 2'-3' high in front of the artist with cards X/Y. I tend to use ORTF more when I have a full stage of instruments to cover and am backing off towards the stage lip. The X/Y gives plenty of stereo effect and tightens up the pickup pattern by 30 degrees over ORTF in case of talkers/wooks in the first few rows. Just a thought.

Edit: running midside also wouldn't suck.

rhinowing · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2011, 03:42:50 AM »

I'd agree with running onstage if possible...crowd noise, clinking glasses, etc are going to be an issue

Belexes · « **Reply #6 on:** February 20, 2011, 09:26:47 AM »

I did cards NOS, but I like the X/Y idea. May try that next time. The crowd was a bit too close to have done anything with subcards.

Lil Kim Jong-Il · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2011, 07:12:29 PM »

How did you like the results?

Belexes · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2011, 09:33:57 PM »

Quote from: Lil' Kim Jong-Il on February 21, 2011, 07:12:29 PM

How did you like the results?

It was maybe about as good as I could get given the environment. There was only one speaker way off to the left, then the artist w/guitar with a monitor down to my right. So the recording is a lot of the monitor mix in the right channel. I wish I was right above the wedge, but that wasn't possible given closed quarters. I'll post a short sample:

http://www.2shared.com/audio/4FOmcCra/corychisel.html

853 (c) > 9100 > M10

BUMINFUM · « **Reply #9 on:** March 10, 2011, 03:36:28 AM »

F.O.Bean · « **Reply #10 on:** March 10, 2011, 04:19:31 AM »

Quote from: Belexes on February 21, 2011, 09:33:57 PM

Quote from: Lil' Kim Jong-Il on February 21, 2011, 07:12:29 PM
How did you like the results?

It was maybe about as good as I could get given the environment. There was only one speaker way off to the left, then the artist w/guitar with a monitor down to my right. So the recording is a lot of the monitor mix in the right channel. I wish I was right above the wedge, but that wasn't possible given closed quarters. I'll post a short sample:

http://www.2shared.com/audio/4FOmcCra/corychisel.html

853 (c) > 9100 > M10

In situations like that, especially in crowded/noisy bars, I run XY and pull a stack tape, but since he had his monitor acting as a speaker, you couldn't have done that.

run_run_run · « **Reply #11 on:** March 10, 2011, 11:57:49 AM »

XY Stage lip + 2 channel SBD feed on another recorder, post mix.

Belexes · « **Reply #12 on:** March 10, 2011, 06:24:26 PM »

I'll try XY next time in a bar setting. A matrix may be overkill, but something to consider. The guy that mixes the sound for this artist is a friend of mine.

run_run_run · « **Reply #13 on:** March 11, 2011, 03:30:07 PM »

XY stage lip is the only way for WINNING most of the time.

newplanet7 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 12, 2011, 11:46:26 AM »

Quote from: run_run_run on March 11, 2011, 03:30:07 PM

XY stage lip is the only way for WINNING most of the time.

For a solo artist or duo maybe.
With a full band ORTF and NOS Are tops for me.

run_run_run · « **Reply #15 on:** March 12, 2011, 12:23:15 PM »

Quote from: newplanet7 on March 12, 2011, 11:46:26 AM

Quote from: run_run_run on March 11, 2011, 03:30:07 PM
XY stage lip is the only way for WINNING most of the time.
For a solo artist or duo maybe.
With a full band ORTF and NOS Are tops for me.

Other ways to WIN with a full band.

bonghitwillie · « **Reply #16 on:** March 24, 2011, 10:26:10 PM »

tape one mic to the vocal mic and put the other mic in front of the guitar amp. the results would blow your mind.

Belexes · « **Reply #17 on:** March 31, 2011, 09:33:56 PM »

Quote from: bonghitwillie on March 24, 2011, 10:26:10 PM

tape one mic to the vocal mic and put the other mic in front of the guitar amp. the results would blow your mind.

No stereo separation though.

Gutbucket · « **Reply #18 on:** April 01, 2011, 11:47:20 AM »

Quote from: Belexes on March 31, 2011, 09:33:56 PM

Quote from: bonghitwillie on March 24, 2011, 10:26:10 PM
tape one mic to the vocal mic and put the other mic in front of the guitar amp. the results would blow your mind.

No stereo separation though.

Potential stereo problem there would likely be too much seperation. Recorded stereo just controlled cross-talk bleed. But doing that is likely to have good up-front presence, since you're close mic'ing just like FOH SBD feeds.

newplanet7 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 01, 2011, 07:01:27 PM »

Quote from: run_run_run on March 12, 2011, 12:23:15 PM

Quote from: newplanet7 on March 12, 2011, 11:46:26 AM
Quote from: run_run_run on March 11, 2011, 03:30:07 PM
XY stage lip is the only way for WINNING most of the time.
For a solo artist or duo maybe.
With a full band ORTF and NOS Are tops for me.
Other ways to WIN with a full band.

Do tell.
I'm talking two track AUD.

raymonda · « **Reply #20 on:** April 01, 2011, 08:25:55 PM »

Or you could use the left channel to pull a mono blend from the board and use the right channel for another mic in the house and mix it afterwards.

Belexes · « **Reply #21 on:** April 16, 2011, 09:32:26 PM »

I taped this artist again with a quiet crowd so I used subcards NOS 1 foot from him. I think it turned out great!

http://soundcloud.com/belexes/cory-chisel-live-at-exclusive

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