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Title: Newbie AKG 391 Help
Post by: Chris K on July 21, 2003, 12:44:52 PM
Hi...a newbie here. I was wondering if someone could help me out.

I recently purchased AKG 391's, which should be a step up from the AT822 mic I have been using with my stock sbm1 and d8 rig.

I would still like to use the sbm1 and I would like your suggestions on how to power these mics with phantom power.

Also, how would I get the XLR mic cables to work with the sbm1's 1/4" inputs?

chris k
Title: Re:Newbie AKG 391 Help
Post by: nickgregory on July 21, 2003, 12:47:57 PM
Before I got an MP-2, I ran 2 AKG B-18 power supplies (2 9 volt batts per supply) and that gave phantom power to the mics.  Basically went xlr from mics to xlr b-18 and b-18 xlr out to rca into mod sbm-1.  The XLR-RCA I had made from www.kindkables.com, but you can probably find it through various retailers.

I know alot of folks use the PS-2 for power, which is another good solution.  

If your interested, the B-18's are just sitting in my closet and not getting any use, I could probably cut you a deal to get then in someone's hands who is using them.

Nick
Title: Re:Newbie AKG 391 Help
Post by: nickgregory on July 21, 2003, 12:48:30 PM
Oh and by the way, they will be a significant step up from the 822.
Title: Re:Newbie AKG 391 Help
Post by: geoff piper on July 21, 2003, 12:49:01 PM
Hi...a newbie here. I was wondering if someone could help me out.

I recently purchased AKG 391's, which should be a step up from the AT822 mic I have been using with my stock sbm1 and d8 rig.

I would still like to use the sbm1 and I would like your suggestions on how to power these mics with phantom power.

Also, how would I get the XLR mic cables to work with the sbm1's 1/4" inputs?

chris k

B18 they are the AKG power souce. Or you could sell you Sbm1 and buy my UA-5 ;)
Title: Re:Newbie AKG 391 Help
Post by: Brian Skalinder on July 21, 2003, 12:56:54 PM
The Denecke PS-2 is a very popular and relatively inexpensive phantom power box.  Add in a couple line transformers and run line-in (RCA inputs) on the SBM-1 instead of mic-in.  The SBM-1 mic pre isn't so hot, the line transformers will sound much better.

Although, if you get a deal on Nick's B18s that's a fine way to go.  Regardless of which power source, I recommend using the line transformers:

391 > PS2 or B18s > line transformers > 1/4"/RCA adapters > SBM-1

See:  http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?board=14;action=display;threadid=2454;start=msg17699#msg17699 (http://www.taperssection.com/yabbse/index.php?board=14;action=display;threadid=2454;start=msg17699#msg17699)
Title: Re:Newbie AKG 391 Help
Post by: nickgregory on July 21, 2003, 01:01:17 PM
Brian makes a good point.  I used a couple of the AT CP8201 line transformers (can be had at guitar center for under $20 each) to give me a bit of gain to work with and it was nice to work with the extended headroom.  Since I use the Mod-SBM-1, the 1/4" was not available to me, but I agree with Brian, that may be the easiest way to feed the SBM-1.

Specific questions, feel free to PM me.  I ran 391(3)s>B18s>AT-CP8201>Mod SBM-1>D100 for over a year, and may be able to help out.

Nick
Title: Re:Newbie AKG 391 Help
Post by: Chris K on July 21, 2003, 03:04:00 PM
thanks nick, brian, and goeff for the fast responses.  ;D

ok, so now i know the sbm1 1/4" mic inputs are to be avoided, although they seemed to work well with the AT822.

So if i get the phantom power unit, and the line transformers, and the 1/4" to rca connectors i should be set...but won't there be audio degradation from all the changes (xlr>1/4">rca)?

Do you set the levels the same with the rca inputs as with the 1/4" mic inputs on the sbm1? As you can tell, I have never used the rca's on the sbm1.

thanks....chris k
Title: Re:Newbie AKG 391 Help
Post by: nickgregory on July 21, 2003, 03:09:56 PM
No, actually the 1/4" are fine for your use, they are just disabled by Oade for the modified unit which I have.  With regards to degradation, unless you are using crap cables or transformers (stay away from Radio Shack brand - a friend got humming from them...), you will not notice it.

On levels, the levels are set the same way on the SBM regardless of how the signal is input.
Title: Re:Newbie AKG 391 Help
Post by: Brian Skalinder on July 21, 2003, 04:23:52 PM
ok, so now i know the sbm1 1/4" mic inputs are to be avoided, although they seemed to work well with the AT822.

The 1/4" inputs will work just fine, but IMO the RCA line-level inputs with transformers will sound better.

Try a comparison sometime.  I did and noticed a big difference.  That said, nothing wrong with using them if that's what you like!
Title: Re:Newbie AKG 391 Help
Post by: caymanreview on July 21, 2003, 07:06:06 PM
i personally run 391s > ps2 > Hosa MIT 176 line transformers(with rca end upgrade!!!) > ModSbm1 > m1

i really love my setup, especially the line transformers with the rca upgrade to go straight into the sbm1

available from oade with the rca mod, i believe, bought mine used
Title: Re:Newbie AKG 391 Help
Post by: creekfreak on July 22, 2003, 07:50:49 PM
Get the sbm-1 modded also, makes things all nice and warm
Title: Re:Newbie AKG 391 Help
Post by: caymanreview on July 23, 2003, 07:16:57 AM
i myself am a big fan of the modsbm1!!!
Title: Re:Newbie AKG 391 Help
Post by: Chris K on July 23, 2003, 10:46:03 AM
Get the sbm-1 modded also, makes things all nice and warm

i myself am a big fan of the modsbm1!!!

ok...so what mod specifically are you talking about...oade has 3 listed? lemme know...sounds interesting
Title: Re:Newbie AKG 391 Help
Post by: nickgregory on July 23, 2003, 10:51:51 AM

ok...so what mod specifically are you talking about...oade has 3 listed? lemme know...sounds interesting

the line mod....the expensive one...but well worth it
Title: Re:Newbie AKG 391 Help
Post by: Chris K on July 23, 2003, 11:08:35 AM
saw that one coming...it's the EXPENSIVE one

any idea what the turnaround is for the mod....i guess i should go ask oade, but...uh....does anyone know how long they'll have it?
Title: Re:Newbie AKG 391 Help
Post by: caymanreview on July 23, 2003, 11:23:17 PM
mine has the expensive mod, but no idea how long it takes as mine was modded when i got it
Title: Re:Newbie AKG 391 Help
Post by: sexymexi on July 24, 2003, 12:04:23 AM
if your sololy lookin for phantom power. with my 391s i run whirlwind phantom power boxes. they are much cheaper than the akg B18s.  also deneke makes phantom boxes, check here for whirlwind boxes

http://www.bradleybroadcast.com/2001/micproc.htm

i'm only runnin that now, till i have money to get a pre, thats the way i'd go if i were you. UA-5 is resonably priced.  MME or V3 would be really nice, but much pricier..