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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2013, 02:23:01 PM »
Not sure if this has come up in any of the M10 threads yet, but has anyone noticed a lack of bass in recordings they made with external mics using the mic input and internal pre? During a recent show I taped, the mix seemed muddy with a lot of low end, however on playback something doesn't sound right. It's as if everything from 150Hz downwards has been rolled off. This stands out because my old R-09HR's internal preamp sound signature was very bass heavy to my ears, and I'm used to making fairly bass heavy recordings.

Also, this is probably old news, but I'm disappointed with the quality of whatever metal (plastic?) coating is on the front and back case. It scratches very easily. The same goes for the clear plastic screen cover- I already have a scratch on it and I've only had it for a couple of months. I put my R-09HR through hell for five years and aside from some wear in the rubber material at the corners it looks almost new.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2013, 04:15:09 PM »
I had a REALLY difficult time formatting my 64gb micro card to FAT32 on my desktop PC.  I was about to return it but was able to get MIke's instructions to work on my new laptop.  I will try to pup it into my M10 soon.  I am looking forward to not having to delete items so often.  Is that playing with fire?
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2013, 11:12:08 AM »
Don't know if anyone else has had this problem, but my M10 is pretty much toast. The delete button is stuck and none of the other buttons will function. I noticed it last sunday after a show, when i hit stop after the show ended, it immediately asked me if i wanted to delete the file. I got home, transferred the show, deleted it off the card.

Last night, recorded another show. It came out fine, but the problem is now worse. If i push the menu button, it immediatley goes to delete file, but i can't actually do it since none of the other buttons work. Tried prying up the delete button a little, but that did not change anything. Guess i'll be getting another one. I taped about 50 shows with it over the past 18 months.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #18 on: March 29, 2013, 12:21:27 PM »
Don't know if anyone else has had this problem, but my M10 is pretty much toast. The delete button is stuck and none of the other buttons will function. I noticed it last sunday after a show, when i hit stop after the show ended, it immediately asked me if i wanted to delete the file. I got home, transferred the show, deleted it off the card.

Last night, recorded another show. It came out fine, but the problem is now worse. If i push the menu button, it immediatley goes to delete file, but i can't actually do it since none of the other buttons work. Tried prying up the delete button a little, but that did not change anything. Guess i'll be getting another one. I taped about 50 shows with it over the past 18 months.

i love my M10.  2 years old, has had very heavy use (150+ shows) and no issues at all.  the build quality is pretty good (considering the sale price of $199), but these things don't last forever.  i've got a D-50 that i keep as a back-up unit.  the build quality on the D-50 is much better than the M10, but it's got a much bigger footprint and weighs a lot more.  for  >:D applications i haven't found anything better than the M10.

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #19 on: March 29, 2013, 02:23:55 PM »
Don't know if anyone else has had this problem, but my M10 is pretty much toast. The delete button is stuck and none of the other buttons will function.

Why not try calling Sony service and see if they can suggest a way to clean the buttons? Maybe it's just some kind of gunk in there.

Or, for a cleaner, Dyneq suggested this to me:

http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=161092.msg2029466#msg2029466

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2013, 02:25:36 PM »
I have 77 shows since 10/09 (probably over 220 performers) and mine works as great as day 1.... only scrapes and scratches from stealthing it in pockets.... IMHO nothing better out there for stealth and external mics (based on bang for the buck and ruggedness)

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2013, 03:08:40 PM »
I have 77 shows since 10/09 (probably over 220 performers) and mine works as great as day 1.... only scrapes and scratches from stealthing it in pockets.... IMHO nothing better out there for stealth and external mics (based on bang for the buck and ruggedness)

Oh, I completely agree and the thought of ordering anything else but another M10 never crossed my mind.  I'm going to go ahead and get a new one and If I can do anything to fix other one, I'll try it and maybe I'll end up with 2 that work. 
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #22 on: March 30, 2013, 11:19:17 AM »
Last Sunday, I recorded five consecutive sets and they all came out great sound-wise. However, the last two sets have dropouts in the right channel at the end of each set. One is the last 6 minutes, the other the last 3 minutes. They just drop out completely. Checksums were created on the SD card before they were transferred to the computer. So, this leads me to assume that something happened (while saving the file?) with the m10. It seems unlikely that the mics or tinybox would have coincidentally killed the channel before the end of each set.

Anyone ever have this issue?
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #23 on: March 30, 2013, 10:31:56 PM »
internal or external mics?

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #24 on: March 30, 2013, 11:54:05 PM »
I was running mics > naiant tinybox > m10.
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2013, 07:49:48 PM »
I put on around 250+ sets a year on each of my m10's, and theyve been going strong for over 2 years. Guess Im just lucky. I also baby the HELL out of my gear ;)
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #26 on: April 03, 2013, 11:07:06 PM »
I was running mics > naiant tinybox > m10.

My guess is a loose cable or internally broken/frayed cable... I have been in both situations before and was easily able to rule out the M10 every single time

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #27 on: April 06, 2013, 09:17:13 AM »
I was running mics > naiant tinybox > m10.

My guess is a loose cable or internally broken/frayed cable... I have been in both situations before and was easily able to rule out the M10 every single time
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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2013, 09:41:10 PM »
This might be an odd/stupid question, but it interests me nonetheless, as I'm leaning heavily in favor of buying an M10...

The M10 has internal memory as well as a slot for a card. If I were to record enough to fill up, say, the 16 GB card I might put in, would the device then start recording to the internal memory, or would I have to manually switch something? Could it do so mid-recording (sort of like splitting a track at the 2GB limit)?

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Re: Sony PCM-M10 (Part 7)
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2013, 10:15:30 PM »

The M10 has internal memory as well as a slot for a card. If I were to record enough to fill up, say, the 16 GB card I might put in, would the device then start recording to the internal memory, or would I have to manually switch something?

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You can set up the M10 to switch automatically [see p39 in the manual]:

"When the memory currently being used becomes full during recording, the PCM recorder automatically switches its destination to the other memory media and continues recording (Cross-Memory Recording)."

Could it do so mid-recording (sort of like splitting a track at the 2GB limit)?


Yes, it takes care of the split as well.
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