Topic: onstage caps?

[Aaron734]

im taping onstage tomorrow. i the past i have always used cards and gotten good/great results. i never had hyper caps at the time though. i was wondering if there were any advantages/disadvantages affiliated with running hypers onstage. if i were to take a guess i would say that cards would be better, but im curious what you all think.
thanks,
aaron

[Gordon]

I would go with cards unless omni is an option.

[F.O.Bean]

cards would def be the usual way to go, but FWIW, i have an onstage tape alex herd made w/ the TL's and theyre GREAT w/ hypers

[Aaron734]

cards would def be the usual way to go, but FWIW, i have an onstage tape alex herd made w/ the TL's and theyre GREAT w/ hypers

great, thanks guys, i think ill stick with the cards if i run my mics, but actually, pfife offered to let me borrow his TLs tonight..... maybe ill give that a shot with the hypers. +ts

[Brian Skalinder]

pfife offered to let me borrow his TLs tonight.....

In that case, try omnis!

[hexyjones]

I think the thing with on-stage omnis needs to clarified a bit...

at least this is what my experiments tell me...

The term "on stage" might be used a bit too loosely...not all staging situations are alike...

For small rooms - where the band might have their back to the wall or their amps near the wall - omnis tend to sound like a complete mess...everything sounds too flattened out, response-wise...and the spatial effect is not what you would hope for...

But if the band is on bigger stage...where there might be 10-20 feet of open air behind the band...then omnis make nice recording from the stage.

For the small rooms I've been using cards - attached to each guitar players vocal mic stand - about 30 inches from the ground. L-R - various spacings...as much as 20 feet, as few as 6...aim the mics between the guitar amp and the drummer - my mics generally end up 5-7 feet from the nearest guitar or drum. I try to avoid the bass amp - as thats the most likely path to brickwalling...The cards produce a very tight discrete sound.

Add the board mix - I record both sources as loud as possible...In my case the board has only vox, kick and sometimes overhead...this makes the vocals sound very clear..but you still have the nice onstage sound...

Here's a recent matrix...perhaps a bit hot out of the shoot...

http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=22735&from=browseRecent

[Aaron734]

thanks for the toughts guys, +ts.....

[Tim]

pfife offered to let me borrow his TLs tonight.....

In that case, try omnis!

without a doubt

[Tim]

I think the thing with on-stage omnis needs to clarified a bit...
For small rooms - where the band might have their back to the wall or their amps near the wall - omnis tend to sound like a complete mess...everything sounds too flattened out, response-wise...and the spatial effect is not what you would hope for...

But if the band is on bigger stage...where there might be 10-20 feet of open air behind the band...then omnis make nice recording from the stage.

I've had just as much success in very small rooms with small stages (tiny bar with low ceilings and the stage and amps right near a solid wall) as I have had in 800 person rooms

YMMV

[Swampy]

cards would def be the usual way to go, but FWIW, i have an onstage tape alex herd made w/ the TL's and theyre GREAT w/ hypers

-Bows in humility- thanks bean! Ya, that was one of the only situations Id use hypers. Basiclly, my mics had to be like a foot in front of the drums, so I didnt want it to be all drums, so I ran hypers DIN to catch everything else, and it turned out great! I really think that this is just one of thoes situations (like most in taping) where there is really no definitive answer that can be given, its all about the situation at hand...

[creekfreak]

You never know how a tape will turn out until you listen to it. I taped a few local bands on a big ass paddle boat in a low ceiling room with shitty acoustics. I ran my TL's with the omni's spit about 4', running about 4' off the groud right in front of the band (they had super limited space). It was a mix of cabs, totally raw drums and one band had a 3 piece horn section that pretty much played into one of my mics....one of the best damn recordings I have ever done and I was expecting it to sound like complete ass.
If you are real close, run the cards over the hypers would omni's usually working the best. If you can borrow some TL's, by all means borrow them, the omni setting on those is the best IMO