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Gear / Technical Help => Ask The Tapers => Topic started by: bruloup on March 25, 2008, 02:52:14 PM
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About to get my rig (busman mics>tmod fr-2le) still need a stand and suggestions???
so excited
jackson
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Odd as it sounds you want a light stand not a mic stand... go to fleabay and look about. Manfroto stands are very good but big and heavy. Also you will need an adapter from the stand to your micbar.. come to think of it look at micsupply.com shorter, flimsyer and cheaper stands can be had on ebay. (you'll still need an adapter)
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Why are adapters needed for micbars to attach to light stands? The people who make the micbars know that we're gonna be attaching them to light stands, right?
Also, you should try your local camera store to see if they have light stands. That's what I did, and it was about the same price as the ones that I saw on the internet. I try to help local businesses whenever I can.
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Why are adapters needed for micbars to attach to light stands? The people who make the micbars know that we're gonna be attaching them to light stands, right?
The light stands have 3/8" threads on them and the bars are 5/8".
I don't think the AKG and Shure folks are catering to us and our light stands. One's photographic and the other audio. We need to make them compatible and a cheap adapter does the trick.
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http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=Search&A=details&Q=&sku=113773&is=REG&addedTroughType=search
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Would it be a good idea to wrap some reflective tape around the legs of your mic stand? Or to have something like a Christmas tree skirt to wrap around the legs?
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Would it be a good idea to wrap some reflective tape around the legs of your mic stand? Or to have something like a Christmas tree skirt to wrap around the legs?
If you are worried about foot traffic, it's best to use gaffer tape to secure the legs to the floor and of course shock mounts used for the mics.
I use myself, bar furniture, whatever I can find as a blocker if I an a heavy traffic spot. That Christmas tree skirt might get you some goodies under the stand. ;D
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Why are adapters needed for micbars to attach to light stands? The people who make the micbars know that we're gonna be attaching them to light stands, right?
The light stands have 3/8" threads on them and the bars are 5/8".
I don't think the AKG and Shure folks are catering to us and our light stands. One's photographic and the other audio. We need to make them compatible and a cheap adapter does the trick.
use a clamp
then you can clamp to anything
http://www.windtech.ws/clamps.html
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If you are worried about foot traffic, it's best to use gaffer tape to secure the legs to the floor and of course shock mounts used for the mics.
I use myself, bar furniture, whatever I can find as a blocker if I an a heavy traffic spot. That Christmas tree skirt might get you some goodies under the stand. ;D
Ah, ha! So that's what gaffer's tape is used for! I've read a bunch of threads about suggestions for beginning tapers and all of them have mentioned to buy gaffer's tape, but they never mention why. Now I know, and it makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, I've already bought this T-bar http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?item=SP-GNA-3 (http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?item=SP-GNA-3) and didn't know that I needed to upgrade and get the shock mount. 99% of my taping will be in small bars and I'll be able to use furniture to help block the stand, so hopefully I can make do without shock mounts for a little while.
use a clamp
then you can clamp to anything
I don't quite understand what those clamps are for. Wouldn't you still need a mic stand with those?
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Ah, ha! So that's what gaffer's tape is used for! I've read a bunch of threads about suggestions for beginning tapers and all of them have mentioned to buy gaffer's tape, but they never mention why. Now I know, and it makes a lot of sense. Unfortunately, I've already bought this T-bar http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?item=SP-GNA-3 (http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/category.cgi?item=SP-GNA-3) and didn't know that I needed to upgrade and get the shock mount. 99% of my taping will be in small bars and I'll be able to use furniture to help block the stand, so hopefully I can make do without shock mounts for a little while.
I think for small condenser mics, shock mounts may be overkill, but they certainly don't hurt a situation. Do some tests at home bumping into the stand and see what kind of response the recording picks up. I have SP C4's and those are very sensitive, shock mounts a must.
Gaffer tape is a great tool, not only for the legs of the stand. I recorded in some church pews and gaffed the base of the stand to the pew ahead of me for added support. Just stay away from duct tape. That leaves a nasty residue.
For clamps, you can clamp on to anything, not just a mic stand. Look in the rig photo section of this board and also do some searches and you'll see all sorts of things that people have clamped onto.
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I use a mic stand like this with a boom like this for table top
or stage lip applications
I have 2 sizes of Bogen light stands with different heights and footprints
I have a couple of these clamps to clamp to anything
and an AKG T bar that mainly only gets used as an extender
and also a Shure A27M vertical bar with these AKG H38 shock mounts
for when I run these AKG 451EB/ck1s
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stand:
(http://www.calumetphoto.com/resources/images/prod_tnlg/39448-1.jpg)
http://www.calumetphoto.com/item/MF6065/ (http://www.calumetphoto.com/item/MF6065/)
Adapter for the conversion of your t-bar to the quick adapter or light stand top:
(http://www.bhphotovideo.com/images/items/286147.jpg)
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/286147-REG/AKG_KM217_3_8_Female_to_5_8_.html (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/286147-REG/AKG_KM217_3_8_Female_to_5_8_.html)
Solid Quick Adapter for light stand top to facilitate quick breakdown:
(http://www.calumetphoto.com/resources/images/products/19d090cd086b4c34b1e7e4bdc13a61ec.jpg)
http://www.calumetphoto.com/item/MF6809/ (http://www.calumetphoto.com/item/MF6809/)
Hope this helps
A
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I use a mic stand like this with a boom like this for table top
or stage lip applications
Thanks for posting the pics. :) Is that just a regular vocal mic stand like bands use? Also, what's the proper way to set-up the mic stand? Like the picture shows, or can it be set-up with the center pole touching the ground (making a slightly smaller footprint)?
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f97/JeremyLykins/indexphp.png)
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if you dont need more than 7-8 ft, i would suggest the bogen 3373. while it wont do the job for tapers' sections, i use it everytime i go out around town to smaller gigs. If its a festival, then i need something bigger unless i go FOB (in front of the sound board).
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the top and bottom pictures are just a basic vocal mic stand
which I have a boom arm (2nd pic) attached to
but don't use other than in the vertical position
I generally have the center post just off the floor (3rd pic)
and gaffer the 3 legs to the floor because...
as you said that gives you a smaller footprint and less stability
and like I said
I have the smaller Bogen for tight situations
but rarely need to use it over the larger one (3079)
besides we seem to clamp several pairs of mics to 1 stand
and I wouldn't want to trust the smaller Bogen to all that weight
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Thanks for all of the replies! I learned a lot. :) And I apologize to bruloup for hijacking his thread. ;D
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I have the smaller Bogen for tight situations
but rarely need to use it over the larger one (3079)
besides we seem to clamp several pairs of mics to 1 stand
and I wouldn't want to trust the smaller Bogen to all that weight
again, it really depends on what/where you are going to record. if it is small venue's where blending in is necessary, then even in some instances, the 3373 is too large. but if you are going to be doing large touring acts (WSP etc.), then a larger stand might be necessary. chances are, you will be able to find some clamp space at one of those shows.
that said, eventually i will pick up a larger stand for the large touring acts where i am the only taper (or the only one w/ a stand) and have to get high, err.. .up high and get my friends up high
ask yourself where you will be using it, there is no one stand that will cover all situations IMO.
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again, it really depends on what/where you are going to record. if it is small venue's where blending in is necessary, then even in some instances, the 3373 is too large. but if you are going to be doing large touring acts (WSP etc.), then a larger stand might be necessary. chances are, you will be able to find some clamp space at one of those shows.
that said, eventually i will pick up a larger stand for the large touring acts where i am the only taper (or the only one w/ a stand) and have to get high, err.. .up high and get my friends up high
ask yourself where you will be using it, there is no one stand that will cover all situations IMO.
that's why I own 3 stands
either I'm the only taper
or we are running SEVERAL pairs on 1 stand
blending in isn't an issue for me since I am usually taping for the promoters
the reason we all run on 1 stand is so everyone can set up in the sweet spot
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I use the 15' A.E.A. mic stand that costs like $175 new from Sonic Sense (I sound like a shill for them today). Yes, it is expensive as hell, but I have never seen a more durable stand. I busted the hell out of a Manfrotto stand in no time at all. I bought my A.E.A. used for about $100 and it was money well spent. A clamp also comes in real handy for those times when there are like 100 mic stands in the section and you want to be part of the solution, not part of the problem. I use the cheap one for like $10 that I bought from Guitar Center and it works wonderfully. Pick up some extra plastic / rubber stoppers at Home Depot for $2 and you are in business.