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http://www.sounddevices.com/news/788t-announce.htm
http://www.sounddevices.com/products/788t.htm
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Enhanced Flexibility with Eight Channels of Recording
Las Vegas, NV, April 14, 2008 — At NAB 2008, Sound Devices (Booth N7235) will introduce a powerful new addition to its 7-Series line of digital audio recorders — the 788T eight-track recorder.
788T Digital Audio RecorderDesigned specifically for multi-track on-location productions, the eight-track 788T features a significant expansion of input and output capability—eight full-featured microphone inputs and eight tracks of recording. The eight inputs, together with a thoroughly revised digital architecture, provide unprecedented recording flexibility.
The added I/O, new digital architecture, and full feature-set of the 788T hasn’t compromised the compact size that has become a trademark of the 7-Series recorders. In a stainless-steel and aluminum chassis weighing less than 4 pounds and roughly the size of a hard-backed mystery novel, the 788T accommodates individual controls and connectors for each of its eight inputs, plus numerous additional I/O and data connections.
“Our production sound customers are using more isolated tracks and have been asking for a machine with more than four tracks without a size, weight, and cost penalty,” says Jon Tatooles, managing director of Sound Devices. “The 788T brings a substantial increase in flexibility while taking advantage of all the strengths of our current 7-Series recorders.”
To accommodate the larger data storage requirements of multi-track recordings, the 788T comes equipped with a 160 GB 2.5-in. internal SATA hard disk drive. This on-board storage provides up to 30 hours of 8-track, uncompressed 24-bit audio recording of industry-standard Broadcast Wave files. Additionally, CompactFlash cards with UDMA support and external FireWire mass storage volumes can be used for recording and playback. All three storage mediums can be selected for simultaneous, redundant recording.
With the 788T, transitioning from the field to the studio is easy. To transfer recorded audio, the 788T features high-speed access to both the internal hard drive and connected CompactFlash medium. Disk-to-computer and card-to-computer transfers are limited only by the drives themselves, with transfer speeds greater than 40 MB per second with fast, 266x CompactFlash media.
For fast, accurate setups in the field, the 788T visually indicates level information of both inputs and track assignments. Each of the eight input controls has a corresponding tri-color circular LED, making level adjustments simple in fast run-and-gun environments. The 788T’s Input Control Toggle allows for quick access to common settings such as input type, limiter engagement, high-pass filter activation, and phantom powering. Its LCD display is viewable in all lighting conditions, including direct sunlight.Additionally, the LED’s are dimmer-adjustable for any lighting condition, including a lights-out setting for blacked-out sets.
As with the 702T and 744T’s time code recorders, the 788T has a high-performance, full-featured time code generator. It is also equipped with selectable word clock sync source, including numerous video sync sources. The 788T is powered by 7.2 V Li-ion batteries or external DC (10-18 V) and offers an on-board Li-ion battery charger.
Specs:
Sampling Frequency:
internal: 32, 44.1, 47.952, 48, 48.048
external clocking: 32–48.048 kHz via word clock or digital inputs
Internal Data Path and Processing:
32 bit, 192 dB dynamic range
A/D, D/A Converters:
24 bit, 48.048 kHz sample rate maximum
A/D Dynamic Range:
123 dB, A-weighted bandwidth
120 dB, 20 Hz–22 kHz bandwidth
D/A Dynamic Range:
114 dB, A-weighted bandwidth
111 dB, 20 Hz–22 kHz bandwidth
Metering
112-segment (8 x 14), sunlight-viewable, selectable peak, VU, or peak (with or without peak hold) with VU ballistics, variable brightness
Frequency Res. Mic or Line:
10 Hz–20 kHz, +0.1, -0.5 (gain controls centered)
THD + Noise:
Mic: 0.004% max (1 kHz, 22 Hz–22 kHz BW, gain control down, -15 dBu input); line: 0.004% max (1 kHz, 22 Hz–22 kHz BW, gain control down, +16 dBu input)
Gain: (input dBu to -20 dBFS)
Mic: Off (0) to 76.0 dB Line: Off, -26.0 to 50.0 dB
Input Impedance
Mic (XLR and TA3): 3.3k ohm; Line (XLR and TA3): 3.3k ohm
Input Clipping Level:
Mic input: +8 dBu minimum (gain = 10 dB); line input: +26 dBu minimum (gain = 0 dB)
Input Topology Mic and Line
fully electronically balanced, RF, ESD, short, and overload protected; pin-2 hot, pin-3 cold
Gain Matching Mic/Line inputs
0.1 dB increments, channel-to-channel while linked
Common Mode Rejection Ratio
Mic: 40 dB minimum at 80 Hz
High-Pass Filters:
40-320 Hz in 10Hz steps @ 6/12 dB/oct (Setup Menu selectable)
Mic Powering:
(each analog input selectable): 48 V phantom through 6.8k resistors, 10 mA per mic available, menu-selected per channel in mic or line level positions
Mic/Line Input Limiters:
Variable threshold -12 to -2 dBFS; Infinite:1 limiting ratio, 2 mS attack time, menu-selectable release time 200-2000 mS, soft-knee starting approximately 6dB below setting.
Line Output Clipping Level:
+24 dBu minimum, 10k ohm load
Attenuation & Resolution:
0–20 dB, 1 dB increments
Output Topology Line
fully electronically-balanced, RF, ESD, short, and overload protected; pin-2 driven hot, pin-3 driven cold; let pin-3 float for unbalanced connections.
I/O – Digital:
AES3 Balanced AES out 1-4 on TA3 connector; Balanced AES out 5-6 on DB15 connector 110 ohm, 2 Vp-p, AES and S/PDIF compatible with RCA adaptor; Balanced AES in 1-8 on DB15 connector 110 ohm, 2 V p-p, AES and S/PDIF compatible with RCA adaptor
Digital Storage:
internal hard drive SATA interface 2.5-in hard drive 4200–7200 RPM supported, FAT32 formatted, up to 2 TB addressable
Compact Flash CF type I, II, and + (microdrive) compatible, UDMA (x300) compatible, FAT32 formatted, up to 2 TB addressable
File Types
Record: WAV (AES-31 format), mono or polyphonic, at supported Fs, 24-bit or 16-bit;
Playback: WAV (AES-31 format), mono or polyphonic, at supported Fs, 24-bit or 16-bit;
MP3 @ 32, 64, 96, 128, 160, 192, 256, or 320 kb/s stereo; MP2 @ 64, 96, 128, 160, 192, 256, or 320, 384 kb/s stereo
Utilities
Format, Speed Test, and Repair utility for internal HD, CF and external drive volumes
Data Transfer / Control:
FireWire 400: For connection to ext drives and computers: IEEE-1394a compliant, 6-pin FireWire, Windows 2000, XP, Vista, Mac OS X only
FireWire 800: For connection to ext drives and computers: IEEE-1394b compliant, 8-pin FireWire, Windows 2000, XP, Vista, Mac OS X only
USB 2.0: Slave mode only. For connection to Windows 2000, XP, Vista, Mac OS X only
USB Keyboard Input: For connection to USB keyboards for entering notes and controlling features and functions of the 788T via user selectable keyboard shortcuts.
Time Code:
Modes Supported: Off, free run, record run, 24 hour run, external time code receive
Frame Rates: 23.976, 24, 25, 29.97DF, 29.97ND, 30DF, 30ND, 30+
Accuracy: 0.2 ppm, when tuned with Ambient Master Controller, holds TC clock for 4 hours after main battery removal; after 4 hours, retains time of day
Input / Output 20k ohm impedance, 0.3V p-p (–8 dBu) minimum / 1k ohm impedance, 3.0V p-p (+12 dBu)
Sync Input: Word Clock, AES3, Video (NTSC, PAL, and Tri-Level)
Word Clock Output: Square wave, running at sample rate, 3.3vp-p, 50 ohm.
Power:
Power supply (batteries): operating cell, removable 7.2 V (nominal) Sony L-type Li-ion, operational from 6.5–8.5 V, time code battery, 3.6 Li–ion
Power supply (external): 10–18 V, 1000 mA minimum, via locking 4-pin Hirose connector, use Hirose #HR10-7P-4P (DigiKey# HR100-ND) for locking mating DC connector; pin-1 (-), pin-4 (+).
Environmental:
Operation and Storage ambient temperature 5–55° C, relative humidity (non-condensing) 80%
Other:
Tone Oscillator: 100 Hz–10 kHz, variable output, assigned to tracks or outputs (menu-selectable)
Dimensions and Weight:
Size: 45 mm x 257 mm x 163 mm (H x W x D) 1.8" x 10.1" x 6.4"
Mass: unpackaged: 1.7 kg, (3 lbs 12 oz.) without battery
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Dayum. Wonder what the price will be. Bet it's outrageous.
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sweet, hopefully i can pick up a used 744T now for cheap
internal hard drive SATA interface: this i believe will be available for the older 7xx recorders as a daughter board replacement since ata drive are becoming scarce
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That's sweet, but I have my hands full with 4. 8 tracks would make me jump off a cliff.
The one thing I like though is being able to control gain independently for all 8 tracks on the pots, whereas with the 744T you need to adjust gain on 3 & 4 using the menu...that sucks.
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so any idea what the price tag on this will be
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Major drool-age. :o
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Just got off the phone with SD. Street price is $6,000, which I would assume to MSRP.
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Just got off the phone with SD. Street price is $6,000, which I would assume to MSRP.
Which works out to be only $2-3k or so when people dump their 744T's...
not too bad.
:nightfevah:
Actualy this is a viable option for me with the Soundfield....to go B Format and get a SBD in to matrix on those rare occasions I'll need 6 channels.
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now that is just plain crazy. imagine the post work.
guess it would be useful for those actually getting paid for their recordings.
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Does this have pres on all 8 inputs?
Very cool looking box.
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Does this have pres on all 8 inputs?
Very cool looking box.
I think just 4 looking at the side panels....4 mic, 4 line.
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Does this have pres on all 8 inputs?
Very cool looking box.
I think just 4 looking at the side panels....4 mic, 4 line.
Gotcha. Didn't see that picture.
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pretty sweet box. much less than the Deva.
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I will say this....Sound Devices is dominating and driving the market for 'affordable' portable HD and solid state based recording gear.
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Mics>V2>V3>148>Aerco>788T>some taper creaming their pants
Mighty purty unit, I do say.
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hollie sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet. THAT is a thing of beauty
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paging charles fox. come with 8 t00bs and bring on the sick recordings....
looks pretty slick. anyone want to loan me $6k? :P 8)
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From what I read on the prelims on the site, all 8ch have phantom up to 10mV. The other big ass thing for me is USB! Actually, there are too many positives to this box if you ask me.
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The fact sheet says sampling rates up to 48kHz only....not that big of a deal I suppose, just pointing it out.
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Run times on the currently available batteries will be the interesting thing. Seems to me you'll need plug in power or a festie power setup.
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Run times on the currently available batteries will be the interesting thing. Seems to me you'll need plug in power or a festie power setup.
good point. 8 channels of phantom power + 8 pre-amps + 8 a/d + keeping a hard drive spinning = LOTS OF JUICE. then again maybe that's a good thing. now I can finally sell those SLA batteries I don't use any more. ;D
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paging charles fox. come with 8 t00bs and bring on the sick recordings....
looks pretty slick. anyone want to loan me $6k? :P 8)
I just talked to him. On his way to Chitown Panic. Looks like he is in for one. :P
Edit:
When do they start shipping? Did SD mention anything about that on the phone?
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yeah i got this update in my email box today....
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WOW! This is certainly a chubworthy unit ;D
Makes me glad I sold my 744 when I did!
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if you look at the pdf info file, the picture of the front shows a battery meter that says 12.7 V. looks like they are using a new battery system for the 8 ch setup. with new advancements in batteries (our new power tools have 24V batteries and some have 18V lightweight exotic batteries), i don't think powering this thing will be a problem. there are solutions out there...
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Looking at the specs, the surprising thing is it is only about 2 inches longer and deeper than the 722/744. That's packing a lot more stuff in a not much bigger box!
I need to remind myself that I'm unemployed right now.....
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I done did called SD today out of sheer excitement. They guy said dealer demos will go out in a week the units will start shipping at the end of May, and should be about $5995.
Are there any slutty people going to NAB that can check this thing out?? Being an SD product, I am sure its going to be top notch. I'd make a trip to Vegas myself, but I am departing on a long planned trip to Paris on the 15th. I'd love to hear first impressions.
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I have been waiting to see the SD response to the Nagra VI and the SonoSax SX-R4. It seems they have completely overwhelmed these two competitors. But, at a higher price by ~USD1500. They offer much more for that dollar difference. And we all know the quality that SD has. It will be a while, and a long one, before I spring for one, but I am interested to see how they do in the field.
Go Sound Devices! 8)
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I think I just soiled my pants..
Anyone want to buy my SD702?
Think I'll hold on to the 744 for stealth reasons.
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Just pre-ordered mine
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Just pre-ordered mine
good work charlie. i'm sure you'll be the first of many.
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Just pre-ordered mine
good work charlie. i'm sure you'll be the first of many.
So how much can I sell my 744T for?
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Just pre-ordered mine
good work charlie. i'm sure you'll be the first of many.
So how much can I sell my 744T for?
i'll trade you my 722 for it... :P :D
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Just pre-ordered mine
good work charlie. i'm sure you'll be the first of many.
So how much can I sell my 744T for?
how much do you want for it?
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so, i may sell my 702 or my 744....delivered to you upon ship date of a 788....pm offers to me, guess it doesnt really matter which I sell, but I would probably prefer to keep the 744 unless I can get back most of my investment in it. Both were only purchased about 6 weeks ago.
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I think I rather have two 744's since the 788 only goes up to 48k, where as the 744 goes up to 192k.
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anyone want to buy a 744 for 5900 :P
Damn, right when I start saving some money and am thinking of buying more caps, this damn thing has to come out. Even if I cant use all 8 channels right away, I can still use 6. ;D
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So. Good.
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I will be attending NAB on Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. I am definitely going to check this thing out as soon as I get there.
bye, bye 744t. I will miss you. :'(
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That's sweet, but I have my hands full with 4. 8 tracks would make me jump off a cliff.
Plus you would need to amend your floating insurance policy!
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This one has 8 mi-pres but will do up to 48K only.
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wow... looks tight
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This one has 8 mi-pres but will do up to 48K only.
A friend of mine was on the phone with them this afternoon. The architecture is capable of 24/96 (whatever that means) but there are reliability issues so they decided to go with 24/48. They hold out the possibility of getting it to do 24/96 (software upgrade or software plus hardware fix??) at some point.
Jeff
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This one has 8 mi-pres but will do up to 48K only.
A friend of mine was on the phone with them this afternoon. The architecture is capable of 24/96 (whatever that means) but there are reliability issues so they decided to go with 24/48. They hold out the possibility of getting it to do 24/96 (software upgrade or software plus hardware fix??) at some point.
Jeff
It means that currently available 2.5" drives cannot handle the bandwidth required to write that much data at those sample rates.
One of the bonuses of them switching from IDE to SATA drives is that the throughput will be available to handle those streams.
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so any idea what the price tag on this will be
$6K
Wayne
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pretty sweet box. much less than the Deva.
But still not as versatile. The Deva 5.8 has 10 channels which can be 8 analog, or 8 digital, or any combination up to 10 of the two. The Deva 16, has 12 analog inputs or 8 digital, or 16 combo units. Plus you get to have mix down tracks. I think this is a great recorder at a pretty good price point, but look how long it's taken to finally have just 4 XLR inputs.
Wayne
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Holy cowsills Batman. That is friggin' beautiful. The size is fantastic as well...only slightly bigger than the 744.
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Who wants to buy a 744, 2 V2's and and LSD2 for $6100? :P
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You guys that do this for a living and can just buy this stuff the day it comes out and write it off are just pissin' me off!!! Ha! :D
Not really...good for you!
BTW, guess they're gonna have to come up with a sorta different naming convention for the next 7-series product...maybe the 71010 or the 71212.
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Who wants to buy a 744, 2 V2's and and LSD2 for $6100? :P
I'd hang onto those pre-amps. They are supposedly better that the SD ones, or so I have been told.
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I will say this....Sound Devices is dominating and driving the market for 'affordable' portable HD and solid state based recording gear.
I would have thought the Edirol R4 and R4Pro would have got that award ::)
But like everyone else here...I want one :)
It seems odd that SD haven't made a 4 channel, 4 mic-pre box.
digifish
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From what I read on the prelims on the site, all 8ch have phantom up to 10mV. The other big ass thing for me is USB! Actually, there are too many positives to this box if you ask me.
USB? Ha! This thing has Firewire 800! USB can go fly a kite.
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Yer real funny. Not. You gotta problem? PM me. Asshole. You know you've dogged the 744 since you've been here. I still stand by my statement I rather have a 744 than 2 722's. My post was a joke. I would never buy version one of anything ever. You see I would actually use the channels unlike you. Go record some more Astoria music. :flipa:
Who wants to buy a 744, 2 V2's and and LSD2 for $6100? :P
I'd hang onto those pre-amps. They are supposedly better that the SD ones, or so I have been told.
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Yer real funny. Not. You gotta problem? PM me. Asshole. You know you've dogged the 744 since you've been here. I still stand by my statement I rather have a 744 than 2 722's. My post was a joke. I would never buy version one of anything ever. You see I would actually use the channels unlike you. Go record some more Astoria music. :flipa:
WTF?
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His remark to me was snide. It relates to another thread here. I'm sick of his shit.
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Mark -
I am not quite sure how I have been "dogging" the 744. If preferring two 722's so that I have two channels with pre-amps built-in over a 744 with only one channel is "dogging" I guess I am guilty. I thought it was a personal preference. Yours was for a 744 with a V2. That is why I was surprised to see your comment about selling your gear to buy a 788. It just did not seem to be consistent with your previous statement.
If I have hurt your feelings and caused you to be angry, please accept my apologies. If you are having anger problems, seek help.
Cheers
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This machine has 8 tracks. Whole different ballgame my friend. If I posted that referring to a 744 w/ 4 mic pres then your post would have been relevant. JMO.
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Nice box! Seems to be angled at film production market and to compete with the Sonosax SX-R4.
It looks a bigger than the R4, but has 8 analog inputs vs 6 with the R4 and all support +48V (only 4 on the R4).
I like the concept of the different colored LED's behind the level knobs (I bet they will look pretty :) ).
I wonder what the power requirements will be. Anybody have an idea?
Looks like Digi in's are not supported on the XLR's any more as well (not a biggie). Did any body read otherwise?
I hope this means they will be updating the rest of the 7xx line soon :) (i.e. with USB, SATA on the 722 and 744, etc)
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Looks like Digi in's are not supported on the XLR's any more as well (not a biggie). Did any body read otherwise?
I believe Digi ins are supported on the XLRs, but it's been a few days since I read through the manual......
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I hope this means they will be updating the rest of the 7xx line soon :) (i.e. with USB, SATA on the 722 and 744, etc)
Not gonna happen. Already asked...he mentions the 744 only, but it applies to all current 7XX. :-\
With all this talk of the 788T and its newly implemented digital architecture, processing power, etc have there been any "epiphany" moments at the bench that would allow hardware upgrades to the existing line of 7XX series recorders? Special hardware upgrades to decrease processing power allowing for future expansion/capabilities? Newly discovered firmware updates? SATA HDD support? I know you guys have your hands overflowing at the moment, just curious!
No plans for the 744.
Truthfully, it would require all new PC boards for the 744 to make most of that happen.
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I would guess that the 788T is going to be the new flagship and they will bring out replacements for the 7xx's already in production. The guts of the 788T are not that more expensive than that of the other 7xx's but there is more of a markup to be had. It is standard to put the goodies in the most expensive and then upgrade or replace the rest of the line later. Electric windows were once an option in luxury cars. Heaters were not standard at one time, either. A long, long time ago.
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I was able to check out the 788T at NAB, and it is a sweet looking recorder.
I was told that future firmware updates would allow for recording of sample rates higher than 48khz, so for those that are concerned about that, it shouldn't be an issue for too long.
One new feature that I thought was cool was the LCD screen turns red when you are recording, and turns green when you are playing back audio. If you thought the 7xx recorders looked like Christmas trees before, wait until you see the 788T.
The recorder still uses the same Sony style lithium batteries as before, so you won't have to buy all new batteries if you plan on upgrading.
I was also told that the preamps in the 788T are actually quieter than the preamps in any of the other 7xx recorders. I haven't compared the specs myself to confirm this.
-John
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is this thing a mixing console or a recorder?
It is a recorder. It is not intended to be used as a mixer. Sound Devices recommends using an outboard mixer with the 7xx series recorders.
It sure would be nice if they would make an all in one mixer/recorder.
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It looks like a great piece of hardware. It also looks like SD ate Nagra's and Sonosax's lunch. Go team! Eight pre-amped tracks is very sweet. And that with the ruggedness and reliability they are famous for makes them a package to be reckoned with. Next up the line is the Cantar X2 at USD16K. Makes the SD 788T look really good. And especially good when SD upgrades the firmware to higher bitrates for those who need/want them.
Thank you, Jon Tatooles and crew!
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It looks like a great piece of hardware. It also looks like SD ate Nagra's and Sonosax's lunch. Go team! Eight pre-amped tracks is very sweet. And that with the ruggedness and reliability they are famous for makes them a package to be reckoned with. Next up the line is the Cantar X2 at USD16K. Makes the SD 788T look really good. And especially good when SD upgrades the firmware to higher bitrates for those who need/want them.
Thank you, Jon Tatooles and crew!
FWIW the Deva 5.8 and Deva V are both priced under the Cantar by at least $3k
Price-wise the 788 looks to join the Sonosax and Nagra on the entry level side of things. The Zaxcom Fusion could possibly be at the high end of that segment as well with prices at $7995 http://tinyurl.com/59oqww
Comparing the 788 to the Cantar and thinking the 788 looks really good when compared is only applicable to the price of the two units. You forget that there is a reason lots of folks run external pres in front of the 7xx boxes including myself.
EDIT: Corrected Zaxcom Fusion price.
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I understand that the new pre's are better. Until I have compared them I will reserve comment on which way is sonically superior. 8) As for ease of use, built in is my preference. I do not always have the luxury of a long setup time in the dives I record in. And I prefer the simplicity of one box over two or more. As usual, . . .
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I understand that the new pre's are better. Until I have compared them I will reserve comment on which way is sonically superior. 8) As for ease of use, built in is my preference. I do not always have the luxury of a long setup time in the dives I record in. And I prefer the simplicity of one box over two or more. As usual, . . .
the simplicity of the box isnt worth the price tag to me.. I could assemble a kit with better preamps, a footprint nearly as small, etc for a lot cheaper. The 2 channel is nice, but when you start talking about multi-tracking, where one is going to be carrying multiple mics, cables anyway..from where I sit, there are better options. I do like convenience, but I like my wallet and my own preamps better.
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the simplicity of the box isnt worth the price tag to me.. I could assemble a kit with better preamps, a footprint nearly as small, etc for a lot cheaper. The 2 channel is nice, but when you start talking about multi-tracking, where one is going to be carrying multiple mics, cables anyway..from where I sit, there are better options. I do like convenience, but I like my wallet and my own preamps better.
You have to keep in mind that this recorder is primarily designed for film, ENG, reality shows, and run and gun video markets. This was not made with the intentions of typical music multitrack recording.
You are right though, there are much better options for multitracking live music or music in the studio. However, for the run and gun film / video / audio work that I do, I can't think of a better solution than the 788T in this price range.
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Not gonna happen. Already asked...he mentions the 744 only, but it applies to all current 7XX. :-\
Right - I don't think SD could remain profitable if they tried to retrofit old hardware to the extent they would need to.
I just hope the 788T is the first in a new line of updated 7xx units.
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I would be very surprised if Tatooles and his crew did not know the market better than most folks here. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. If it falls flat, most here will be correct in their appraisals. If it never sees the inside of a concert hall, likewise. But if it sees any type of popularity, which I suspect it will, Tatooles and his crew found the right combination of price and value for the market. Only time will tell. 8)
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the simplicity of the box isnt worth the price tag to me.. I could assemble a kit with better preamps, a footprint nearly as small, etc for a lot cheaper. The 2 channel is nice, but when you start talking about multi-tracking, where one is going to be carrying multiple mics, cables anyway..from where I sit, there are better options. I do like convenience, but I like my wallet and my own preamps better.
Teddy, as I am sort of revving up to do a bit of changes I am interested in your suggestions. What would you have in "a kit with better preamps, a footprint nearly as small, etc for a lot cheaper"?
Actually, I find the 722 preamps to be good enough for classical recording. With a Schoeps MSTC64 it runs to quite respectable quality. For those extra moments of course I bring out the good old rack with Millenia/Lavry Blue but that takes its toll in backbreaking work.
Gunnar
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I, too, want to hear how Teddy will provide 8 channels, each with its own preamp, in "a kit with better preamps, a footprint nearly as small, etc for a lot cheaper."
Flintstone
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lynx aurora 8 , standard laptop, DAV BG-8.....(of course there are myriad preamp options around, but DAV is my personal preference for any recording situation, not just live .)
RME micstasy>>Laptop... there are many options. and Gunnar, I do like the 2channel recorder from SD..wish I still had mine.
the simplicity of the box isnt worth the price tag to me.. I could assemble a kit with better preamps, a footprint nearly as small, etc for a lot cheaper. The 2 channel is nice, but when you start talking about multi-tracking, where one is going to be carrying multiple mics, cables anyway..from where I sit, there are better options. I do like convenience, but I like my wallet and my own preamps better.
Teddy, as I am sort of revving up to do a bit of changes I am interested in your suggestions. What would you have in "a kit with better preamps, a footprint nearly as small, etc for a lot cheaper"?
Actually, I find the 722 preamps to be good enough for classical recording. With a Schoeps MSTC64 it runs to quite respectable quality. For those extra moments of course I bring out the good old rack with Millenia/Lavry Blue but that takes its toll in backbreaking work.
Gunnar
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Next up the line is the Cantar X2 at USD16K.
There is also the Zaxcom Fusion which just got released. It's also eight channels. Did you get a chance to see that at NAB?
Wayne
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whats the story with this (http://sonosax.ch/SXR4/sxr4_perpective_small.JPG) (http://sonosax.ch/index2.html)
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whats the story with this (http://sonosax.ch/SXR4/sxr4_perpective_small.JPG) (http://sonosax.ch/index2.html)
Even though Sonosax sounds great, I don't understand why they keep putting up cartoon drawings into their website. Their website should show real photos even a dummy photo. Their competitors (Grace Design, Sound Devices etc. ) will never show cartoon drawings. It's just a bid annoying when you're really curious what the real product looks like.
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whats the story with this (http://sonosax.ch/SXR4/sxr4_perpective_small.JPG) (http://sonosax.ch/index2.html)
Even though Sonosax sounds great, I don't understand why they keep putting up cartoon drawings into their website. Their website should show real photos even a dummy photo. Their competitors (Grace Design, Sound Devices etc. ) will never show cartoon drawings. It's just a bid annoying when you're really curious what the real product looks like.
I think that is the real product. They have pre-announced this thing and now cannot deliver it. Lots of talk and no walk. You would think they would at least have a metal mockup by now to post. I wonder what they are up to in departments other than art and advertising.
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I still dont get why the 7xx preamps get a bad rap. for the recording I do, they are super low noise and sound clean, transparent, and just the right warmth for my mics. I have actually liked just about every mic ive heard thru the 7xx preamps.
They sound great no matter where they are on the gain dial and the S/N is SUPER CLEAN IMO. Quiet parts, loud parts, they are all super clean. And the dynamics really jump out to me. The imaging and soundstage is better than most preamps we normally use as well. I think theyve hit a home run w/ all of their 7xx units and they have impacted the market in a HUGE way IMO! I have run a v2/v3/sonosax/dmic-20/Oade m148 all myself and liked the 7xx preamps better than them all w/ my old 481/3's. the 7xx preamps are also a great match w/ my MBHO's so I lucked out there. I like my 722 so much that Id rather switch mics out to better suit it rather than switch out my recorder to please my mics. Never thought Id say that but its true!
The 788T is just another step in the right direction for SD taking over the world ;D
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^^^^ Just to jump on the heretic bandwagon, I find no fault with the SD pre's either. I spent decades with the audio gear mystique chasing this or that "upgrade" and was sure each had made a difference. I get some good recordings with my gear and find the artists are very pleased with it. Some are startled at how good that little box sounds paired with Schoeps or DPA. Now these are both pretty good mic manufacturers, true. But if the pre's were that bad it would make no difference. If they were good, but not great it would make some difference. I am not suggesting a shootout between the various pre's and the internal SD ones. And I understand that there is the matter of personal preference here. And I also understand that some folks like the pre's they have been working with for a while. So, "You use your pre's and I'll use mine" is where I end up at. And until I find a good reason to abandon the pre's that SD has designed I will not.
And I am pretty interested to hear what the pre's in the 788T sound like. They are redesigned and the folks at the factory are pretty proud of them. Tatooles, the honcho, is, too. So let's give them a chance.
As usual, YMMV 8)
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Dayum. Wonder what the price will be. Bet it's outrageous.
Quite inexpensive, actually - $6,000 / £4,200.
But no 96kHz capability - that's the killer for me, unfortunately.
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Dayum. Wonder what the price will be. Bet it's outrageous.
Quite inexpensive, actually - $6,000 / £4,200.
But no 96kHz capability - that's the killer for me, unfortunately.
To start. They did say it was coming.
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Teddy wrote "...lynx aurora 8 , standard laptop, DAV BG-8..." as a solution that would be superior to the new 788T for recording 8 channels, and cost less.
Here's what Teddy's setup would include
1. DAV Electronics BG8
http://www.davelectronics.com/bg8.htm
44 x 485 x 255mm (one standard rack unit)
plugs into mains power
Input - XLR x 8
Output - 25 pin D-Type
price ??
2. 25 pin cable from BG8 to Aurora 8
price ??
3. lynx aurora 8
http://www.lynxstudio.com/aurora/index.html
8-channel 24-bit/192kHz A/D D/A Converter
one standard rack unit in size
plugs into mains power
msrp $2195, street $1900
4. AES 1605 25 pin cable
Aurora 8 to Digital I/O card
msrp $50
5. for PC or Mac desktop
Lynx AES16 multichannel digital interface
25 pin D-Sub connector
http://www.lynxstudio.com/aes16.html
msrp $900, street $700
6. the PC or Mac desktop
plugs into mains power
Teddy, I don't understand the best way to interface the Lynx Aurora 8 to a laptop. What do you use? How fast a laptop do you recommend?
Thanks,
Flintstone
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Teddy, I don't understand the best way to interface the Lynx Aurora 8 to a laptop. What do you use? How fast a laptop do you recommend?
Thanks,
Flintstone
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http://www.lynxstudio.com/product_detail.asp?i=24
dont need the aes16. (well, if you want 16 channels you do, but not for 8) ..and any laptop pent 3 and above with around a gig of ram will be fine.
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Here's what Teddy's setup would include
1. DAV Electronics BG8
http://www.davelectronics.com/bg8.htm
44 x 485 x 255mm (one standard rack unit)
plugs into mains power
Input - XLR x 8
Output - 25 pin D-Type
price: $2,340.00 - price in U.S dollars, prices include shipping, but not local taxes[import duty]
2. 25 pin cable from BG8 to Aurora 8
price ??
3. lynx aurora 8
http://www.lynxstudio.com/aurora/index.html
8-channel 24-bit/192kHz A/D D/A Converter
one standard rack unit in size
plugs into mains power
msrp $2195, street $1900
4. AES 1605 25 pin cable
Aurora 8 to Digital I/O card
msrp $50
5. for PC or Mac desktop
Lynx AES16 multichannel digital interface
25 pin D-Sub connector
http://www.lynxstudio.com/aes16.html
msrp $900, street $700
6. the PC or Mac desktop
plugs into mains power
Teddy, I don't understand the best way to interface the Lynx Aurora 8 to a laptop. What do you use? How fast a laptop do you recommend?
Thanks,
Flintstone
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I am beginning to think this might merit another thread, "A better way to record 8 tracks than the 788T." And this may well be a better way. A little clumsier, which is not always a problem if there is sufficient time to set up. A concern of mine is all the extra connections which are contact and less than optimal. These are additional losses in the recording chain, although they are minimal and may be insignificant. Of course if the rig is hooked up once and kept that way it should pose no real problem. And this whole kit can be rack mounted or put into some kind of container that would fit onto a little luggage carrier or hand truck. Quite workable, I'd say. An interesting path.
Way to go, Teddy. 8)
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I too find the 7xx pre HIGHLY underrated. I love running the pres I own, but have yet to regret the shows I've recorded with the SD recorder alone. IMO Schoeps sound very nice with the internal pre.
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lovely sd
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Anyone seen this yet?
http://www.trewaudio.com/audioflow/2008/04/18/this-just-in/
Click the link under the video player for the 788.
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Mmm-hmm.
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Mmm-hmm.
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Anyone seen this yet?
http://www.trewaudio.com/audioflow/2008/04/18/this-just-in/
Click the link under the video player for the 788.
Nice +T
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Any deliveries yet???!?
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Any deliveries yet???!?
I know of one sound mixer in town who is using one on a film project right now. I worked with him on a feature outside of town last year. His only complaint so far is that you don't have a built-in mixer like the Deva. Otherwise he is very pleased with it.
Wayne
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I got mine about two weeks ago. It is a sweet machine. A little more complex that the earlier 7xx's but that is to be expected. It has the same ease of use once set up and is just as rugged. All the lights on it make it look like a Wurlitzer when it is recording. I do like it, but now I have to learn multi-track mixing, which I am doing. I am mixing a four track recording of a choral group which performed on the 17th and 18th of last month. I can carry the mics and recorder and cables in one trip. Stands in the second. With my other 722's can do 12 discrete channels. With the Mackie make that 16 channels, six of which are mixed on-site. Until I have gotten four channels to mix well I will stick with four channels.
I am set for recording gear. Maybe a few more mics to round out the kit.
Cheers
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awesome! more pics please!
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Are you trying to establish whether I actually bought it or do you really want to see SD porn? The website has better photos, but I can and will take a bunch of photos for you gear sluts if you want. I can tell you this much: it is a very nice machine. I am happy with the results so far. The only problem I have had so far is decoding some Schoeps Double M/S recordings I have made. And that is not the SD. It is the operator. When I get some slack time I will go back and work it out. I have overlooked something trivial, for sure.
My only complaint, so far, is that SD sends the same size bag as foir the other 7xx's to hold this larger machine. For this kind of money they culd at least have a bag that fits. /whining
L8R
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OK, here is some gear pr0n for those who want to see some more photos of the 788T.
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One final photo
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A bad LED already? Damn, that sucks.
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OK, here is some gear pr0n for those who want to see some more photos of the 788T.
Nice :)
I have never understood why SD design the 7 series with the battery sticking out the back...
digifish
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OK, here is some gear pr0n for those who want to see some more photos of the 788T.
Purty!
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I have never understood why SD design the 7 series with the battery sticking out the back...
Remember that most of the folks here who use these units buy the biggest capacity battery they can find that inevitably all are deeper.
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I have never understood why SD design the 7 series with the battery sticking out the back...
Where else to put it? I love the 722 battery setup. The 722s design layout / quasi-integral battery / rear-mount design allows me to run my 722 in a huge variety of bags, with the controls facing me, provides the option to utilize different capacity batteries without having to rearrange the layout of my bag, leverages readily available and field-proven L- or M-type batteries (traditionally used for video equipment), and doesn't require cabling between external batteries (for which I'd have to find space in my bag, and not well integrated with my 722s form factor). I think it's brilliant.
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I have never understood why SD design the 7 series with the battery sticking out the back...
Where else to put it? I love the 722 battery setup. The 722s design layout / quasi-integral battery / rear-mount design allows me to run my 722 in a huge variety of bags, with the controls facing me, provides the option to utilize different capacity batteries without having to rearrange the layout of my bag, leverages readily available and field-proven L- or M-type batteries (traditionally used for video equipment), and doesn't require cabling between external batteries (for which I'd have to find space in my bag, and not well integrated with my 722s form factor). I think it's brilliant.
It's not so much the position, but the fact it sticks out. This prevents the unit being placed on it's back etc.
digifish
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It's not so much the position, buth the fact it sticks out. This prevents the unit being placed on it's back etc.
Freestanding, maybe (but not sure if I'd ever want to stand it on its back freestanding). But in a gear bag, I think it works great. Anyway...sweet looking 788, boojum!
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Where else to put it?
They would have to use a different battery, but inside the unit where 99% of the audio gear's batteries go. For some reason, the video camera has changed this, but outside the video realm, most batteries are placed inside a unit.
However that being said, there is a real advantage to using common batteries. Mainly price!
Wayne
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I use oversize batteries on them all. Better to have 30 minutes left than run out 30 minutes early. I have only run four tracks on the 788 and it is not a real battery hog, but eight tracks would be different, for sure. For all eight I would probably run on wall power if I could.
As for the failed LED, yes, it is a bummer and I will send it back to SD when some other thing crops up. Right now I would rather keep it here in Oreeegun. I am all for trying a 12 channel run soon. I have a deal going where I will be recording live sound at a local venue and have access to all the feeds from the mix board, a 32 track. Needless to say, not all tracks would be used on the mixer. Looks like, um, about 12. 8)
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I have a deal going where I will be recording live sound at a local venue and have access to all the feeds from the mix board, a 32 track. Needless to say, not all tracks would be used on the mixer. Looks like, um, about 12. 8)
Why would you run a 'multitrack' and only use less than half of the channels? That makes no sense!
Set up a stereo pair of mics on-stage, maybe a stereo pair of mics further back, and get a stereo matrix feed from the board.
I hate to say, but if you are looking to multitrack, you are heading in the absolute wrong direction using only SD gear. A Protools setup would be ALOT cheaper, allow for way more channels, and be WAY more versatile.
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Interesting new battery locking mechanism on the back there. +T
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I have a deal going where I will be recording live sound at a local venue and have access to all the feeds from the mix board, a 32 track. Needless to say, not all tracks would be used on the mixer. Looks like, um, about 12. 8)
Why would you run a 'multitrack' and only use less than half of the channels? That makes no sense!
Set up a stereo pair of mics on-stage, maybe a stereo pair of mics further back, and get a stereo matrix feed from the board.
I hate to say, but if you are looking to multitrack, you are heading in the absolute wrong direction using only SD gear. A Protools setup would be ALOT cheaper, allow for way more channels, and be WAY more versatile.
It makes plenty of sense if you know the venue: it is a live situation. You can only mic so much in a quartet or quintet. Last night for example: mic each for guitar, bass and harp. Three on the drumset and two vocal mics. That's eight. The board does also run ProTools. The SD gear is an additional option. And it gives me the opportunity to bring it all home and learn how to mix multi-track. I am just now finishing up a four track of a local choral group: two omnis on the choir, two side-by-side cards for the soloists. It came out very well and I am quite pleased. The choir director will be, too. It is better than the first one I did for them.
I want something to record with that I can carry easily, records well and is solid. Laptops are only so rugged and will rarely run as long off batteries as an SD recorder. And then there is the entirely personal thing: my wallet, my choice. I am sure the laptop and ProTools is a better route for you and would encourage you to pursue what you think works best for you.
The way I choose to go is not for everyone. I have a small mic locker: five mics. All very good ones. I have a few pups too, but depend on the five good ones for almost everything. I would rather buy top of the line gear and be done than trade my way up to top of the line gear. I had a cash windfall that made that possible and rather than spend the money on foolish things like getting my house painted and redecorated I bought recording gear. I sure am glad I took the sensible route. ;D The maintenance can wait. I've got taping to do! 8)
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From your previous post you mentioned a 32 track board and only using 12 channels. If all that is being mixed is 8 tracks or whatever that makes a little more sense.
You are right though, it is your wallet and your choice. :)
My opinion, which ain't worth much, is that you would have been better suited taking a different approach. Alesis, ProTools, etc if you are multitracking. SD boxes were not designed as a multitracking solution, but could be used that way in a pinch. As finicky as the C-Link protocol is, again, I would not put all my eggs in one basket. I would never consider running from battery power for a professional job either (unless under extreme conditions), but again your choice.
Good luck with your recordings. :)
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MM - I am not sure we are on the same page. This soundboard gig is an occasional deal, not my reason for living. I do mostly remotes and almost always on battery power to avoid any chance of AC interference. This sound board gig just showed up on Thursday. C-link has, so far, been fine. With the 788T I can run off its word clock, I believe. I have not checked that, but am confident of the C-link.
The sound board on Saturday only had 8 channels working. How many mics should there be on a guitar amp? Just because there are 32 channels does not mean they will all be used all the time. And, like my 12 channel capability, they are there should they be needed. I do not think I will be doing a lot of 12 channel work. But, a trio in town will require three spots, one for each guitar and one for the bass, a MS - AB setup I am working with, and a vocal mic to be eight channels. If it gets freaky I can pack a 722 or two along. This Sunday gig is a constant but was a trio tonight as the drummer was not there, thankfully. He is a R&R drummer playing in a jazz group. He has one level: too loud.
There is more than one solution to these problems. I keep experimenting as there is no on I can tag along with to learn from. The one guy is the fellow who is teaching me the sound board. He has setup venues, tuned them and run sound boards for about ten years and about the same amount of time touring in R&R bands and running his own saloons. I am not super keen on the R&R end but it is something to learn and I am sure it will come in handy along the way. I am getting paid to learn. It is just like I am back on the GI Bill again. 8)
Cheers
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How many mics should there be on a guitar amp?
2
:)
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whats the story with this (http://sonosax.ch/SXR4/sxr4_perpective_small.JPG) (http://sonosax.ch/index2.html)
Even though Sonosax sounds great, I don't understand why they keep putting up cartoon drawings into their website. Their website should show real photos even a dummy photo. Their competitors (Grace Design, Sound Devices etc. ) will never show cartoon drawings. It's just a bid annoying when you're really curious what the real product looks like.
http://www.gearwire.com/sonosax-new-products-aes-vienna.html
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I hate to say, but if you are looking to multitrack, you are heading in the absolute wrong direction using only SD gear. A Protools setup would be ALOT cheaper, allow for way more channels, and be WAY more versatile.
Just to do a bit of nitpicking. There are actually two different ProTools systems families. The one you probably is thinking about is the consumer priced (somewhat) ProTools LE. That system is limited to maximum 18 simultaneous inputs and then with a bit of shoehorn to make it fit. Not the 32 mentioned, although once inside the computer you can mix more channels. The professionally priced ProTools HD systems of course can handle more, over 100, but the system then comes in at a higher price point.
Gunnar
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Gunnar, I agree, and disagree that the SD's are the wrong way to go for multitrack. I do mostly acoustic so 12 tracks works. The SD's are more rugged and reliable than a laptop. I have read and heard way to many stories of laptops freezing or in some other way ruining a session. I have never read or heard of an SD choking. I can capture up to 12 tracks, take them home and mix them in SAM 10.1 Master. It will take some juggling as the SAM Master does four tracks. But I can do it.
There are so many ways to do things in recording. I went the way I did for flexibility. I can do 2, 4, 8, 10 or 12 track by juggling the hardware configurations. I just need the extra mics now. It never ends.
Tak.
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Sorry Boojum if I was unclear. It was only nitpicking about 32 concurrent ProTools channel coming in at a low cost (which it does not as it takes a ProTools HD system).
I really like the SD boxes, run a 722 myself when doing stereo recordings. And I would love to have a 788 (or two) for multitrack recordings.
For more channels I must admit though to running a laptop with a rack of external stuff. I have had very little problems with that over the years, but I treat it with great respect. I run a RME Fireface which has proved itself very stable, you need to be picky about Firewire cables though as a lot of them are quite bad. And my program of choice, Samplitude Pro, works perfectly in recording sessions as well as mixing (and mastering and burning CD-s). Generally, though, I agree, a hardware box would be preferred and I would love to have a 788 or perhaps a Deva.
Gunnar
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I just need the extra mics now. It never ends.
Tak.
too true. for the money i highly fluff the Busman mics. the SD stereo set is a total value for the price and quality. i doubt you will be unhappy with the results and they will add to your asenal in so many different ways with all the options in caps. 8)
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Rumor has it that SD/Schoeps will be showing off the 788T powering a set of Schoeps CMD's directly at AES.
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Rumor has it that SD/Schoeps will be showing off the 788T powering a set of Schoeps CMD's directly at AES.
Very interesting if this is true.
I had heard that SD will be showing a Beta firmware with AES42 support - excellent news now that there are three main microphone companies doing AES42 microphones.
However, if it works with more than one Schoeps CMD, I will be very interested, as the Schoeps are AES42-mode1 which are asynchronous operation and require a sample-rate converter to lock them
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You will see headphone gain changes in the upcoming "Wildcat" 788T beta firmware. We'll have more information on this in the coming week. Other new items in Wildcat include AES42 support, extensive file viewer/take viewer changes, metadata handling changes, and limiter tunings.
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You will see headphone gain changes in the upcoming "Wildcat" 788T beta firmware. We'll have more information on this in the coming week. Other new items in Wildcat include AES42 support, extensive file viewer/take viewer changes, metadata handling changes, and limiter tunings.
Yup - knew AES42 support was coming. But the Schoeps are mode-1 and the Neumann and Sennheiser are mode-2.
Mode-1 run asynchronously and need a sample rate converter to lock them. Mode-2 are locked via the AES42.
So it interested me that SD had a sample rate converter on the input of the 788T to lock mode-1 microphones.
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any possibility of enabling this feature on 722/744 with firmware update?
Rumor has it that SD/Schoeps will be showing off the 788T powering a set of Schoeps CMD's directly at AES.
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any possibility of enabling this feature on 722/744 with firmware update?
Rumor has it that SD/Schoeps will be showing off the 788T powering a set of Schoeps CMD's directly at AES.
Ask Jon Tatooles at SD. he would know. ;o)
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any possibility of enabling this feature on 722/744 with firmware update?
From what I heard - this is doubtful as the 788T was designed with this feature in mind and the 722/744T was not. But who knows.
It is important to note that when using AES42 one mic uses one AES42/AES connection so on a 788T you would only be able to use 4 Digital mics. This does not mean SD has setup the routing in a way to record 8 channels (i.e. 4 digital and 4 analog) to all 8 channels to be recorded - we will have to see. But with this logic for the 722 you would only be able to connect one digital mic and for the 744T two digital mics.
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It is important to note that when using AES42 one mic uses one AES42/AES connection so on a 788T you would only be able to use 4 Digital mics.
This is only true for the Neumann and Schoeps AES42 mics.
The new Sennheiser MZD 8000, AES42 module for the MKH 8000 series, is 2-channel. So you can connect two heads via a Y-cable into the MZD 8000 and use just one AES42 input - so this would double the number of mics you can use.
I am just about to do this with my NAGRA VI - but I will have to use the Neumann AES connection kit to do it - powered from the Nagra and fed to the AES3 input.
I *do* hope Nagra will be able to enable AES42 on the NAGRA VI at some time.
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Thats nice about the Sennheisers.
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Not to get too far off topic, but how do you like your Nagra VI? It looks like a beautiful machine. I have been looking for a ballpark price on them and cannot find too much. I am planning to stop into their Franklin, TN office before too long and play with one for a little while. I am thinking of going for one of these in the next 1-2 years.
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Not to get too far off topic, but how do you like your Nagra VI? It looks like a beautiful machine. I have been looking for a ballpark price on them and cannot find too much. I am planning to stop into their Franklin, TN office before too long and play with one for a little while. I am thinking of going for one of these in the next 1-2 years.
My own unit will not arrive until next week (I got the confirmation this afternoon) - but I had an early one for review which you can read HERE (http://www.soundonsound.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=660518&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1#660518).
Having used it in anger when I did the review I found it so good I had to by one - I only record part time but it was so good I had to find the money for it, and I did.
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I assume everyone in this thread has seen this bad boy add on, eh?
Let me introduce the CL8...
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There is a free hardware update on the 788T for those who bought prior to September. Seems there have been some hardware upgrades and SD wants to fix the old ones, because they need to. 8)
I am sending mine in in a day or two. The peak LED's have a emitter or two that failed and the FireWire port has failed. The two failures are hardware supplier problems. Neither was major and now that I have a good reason I will send it in.
So far this machine has always made me look good. And that is not always easy. 8)
Cheers
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Yes, I heard that the 788Ts had been recalled - Timecode problem I heard.
I like SD stuff, but without the add-on I found the 788T very fiddly (and hot). I just wish they had made it 30% larger (and 96kHz).
The Nagra VI has the perfect ergonomics and 96kHz (which is why I went for the Nagra) - I wish it was 30% smaller, though.
Ahhh well ::)
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Yes, I heard that the 788Ts had been recalled - Timecode problem I heard.
I like SD stuff, but without the add-on I found the 788T very fiddly (and hot). I just wish they had made it 30% larger (and 96kHz).
The Nagra VI has the perfect ergonomics and 96kHz (which is why I went for the Nagra) - I wish it was 30% smaller, though.
Ahhh well ::)
The info on the mods is available on the SD site in full if you are interested.
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The info on the mods is available on the SD site in full if you are interested.
Thanks very much - very interesting.
I also looked at the new firmware and have just sent them an e-mail regarding the new AES42 support on the 788T - VERY interesting. ;D
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The jury is still out for me on the 788t. While I think it is sexy as hell and looks like it will be capable of running a small country, I think in that price range for me I would check some other offerings for a small change (just to change things up!)....most notably the Nagra VI. I am gonna do what I can to take on some extracurricular jobs to get the cash I need to purchase one and pick it up at the TN US headquarters. I think that would be fun. Yes, I am a nerd. ;D What I have heard from Callery's Schoeps > Nagra V I am VERY impressed when it comes to recordings for my recording conditions. I am a bit leary of their software too. I haven't heard too many issues, but then again I have done 0 research on their technical issues (if any). I also love the fact that your can enable/disable transformers on the machine. Again, I digress from the topic. My apologies.
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It is now official, the 788T supports digital microphones directly:
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The 788T provides support and connectivity for Mode 1 (asynchronous) connections. Mode 1 uses the microphone’s own clock generator for its word-clock-source. Because the word-clock-signal out of the microphone may differ from the recorder’s set sampling rate, the 788T’s hardware sampling rate converter (SRC) is activated for AES 42 inputs when using the recorder’s word clock. The recorder provides connection for multiple (up to four) AES 42 input sources at any supported sampling rate. The 788T accommodates AES 42 (and AES3) inputs with sampling rates from 32 kHz to 192 kHz
http://www.sounddevices.com/notes/recorders/788/aes42/
Gunnar
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The jury is still out for me on the 788t.
Nice though the 788T is, I still seem to feel thay made it a bit too small and fiddly - and it gets pretty hot and needs space around it for air-flow.
The new add-on control panel makes things much easier, though.
But it only goes up to 48kHz which was not good enough for me.
I bought the Nagra VI - this is a bit large as the 788T is a bit small - but the ergonomics are perfect and it does support 96kHz recording.
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It is now official, the 788T supports digital microphones directly:
Yes, I know, I posted this above.
I have been having discussions with SD about this.
Its AES42 mode1 really, so you have to set the mics to work asynchronously - they are clocked by going through a sample-rate converter in the 788T - EG: set the mics to 48kHz and record at 44.1kHz - the sample rate converter clocks the mics.
It does not support AES42 level control, so the mics are set slightly low and then adjusted in the digital domain by the 788T's level control.
The 788T is the first portable to support AES42 and with three major microphone companies now doing AES42 microphones, is most exciting.
Schoeps CMD are mode1 only; the Neumann Solution-D, KM-D, TLM 103-D and Sennheiser MZD 8000 are all mode2, but can work mode1 as well.
Mode1 all run asynchronously and need a sample-rate converter to clock them.
Mode2 can all be clocked via AES42 and don't need a sample-rate converter (though mode2 mics can also run as mode1 if needed).
But please note that the 788T firmware is still a Beta version and not yet fully implemented.