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Gear / Technical Help => Battery Boxes, Preamps, Mixers, ADCs, and Processors => Topic started by: kingfish on May 29, 2008, 02:46:54 AM
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heres the deal. buying cmc6 bodies is not an option at this point. i went with the nbox+ for particular reasons, and i am sticking with that. i love my new pre, and i want it to be included in this equation.
i have a number of recorders, and a 480>61, 62, 63>v3 setup as well. i am trying to maximize my dollars against devices already owned, and looking for guidance from my brothers and sisters here for advice on how to best complete the schoeps rig.
ultimately, this will come down to what i like, but a number of factors will play an important part. i care about sound (dont get me wrong) but ergonomics will also play. its one of the reasons that i havent pulled the trigger on a mytec yet. it will just be be different. (think mini-me vs v3)
at some point, i am gonna go 4 channel, so do i just go and buy the r44 (or r4, though i am falling out of love with this device based on my talks with people that have exposure to one, the other, or both).
do i save my money and buy the 744 like i planned in a couple of months??
or do i shut the hell the up, soak in the fact that i have an mk4>nbox+ solution and be done with it?? i do like the dsd action, but its pretty limited in its applications (i feel silly recording to dsd, then having to resample _down_ to 24/96 to track and listen). eventually useful, but right now, its beyond the pale. moreso than i thought when i bought it, but i really, really like my mr1. i do not like the adc of the mt2, so i wont be going that route. i have no issue with 2 recorders, 1 for the nbox, 1 for the v3.
outside chance factor: do i fund an inexpensive nagra and just go old school and blow all your minds when i show up fob?? lol
while i am not going to base my next sizable purchase on your answers, everyones input will be considered. i am more than happy to provide any additional info you like, such as, i have a lowe pro nova 3 and 5, i have no issue buying a 4, though i would rather not, etc...
thoughts????
peace, bill
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I have owned only five recorders: two SONY MD's and three SD's. I like the SD's. I also prefer going with two 722's C-linked over a 744 as each 722 has a pre-amp whereas with a 744 you need a pre-amp for channels three and four. SD so saw this as an error in design that the new 788 has eight pre-amps.
So, I would say just save and buy the SD('s). But ulitmately you will have to balance all your needs and prioritize them and make your own decision.
BTW, I run Schoeps with the SD's and they sound pretty good. I asm currently playing with the Schoeps Double M/S. You can do a lot with that rig.
L8R
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not entirely sure i know what you hope to accomplish with the nbox rig (assuming stealth since you already have other larger and equally nice gear).
86 the korg and get a r-09 is a good option for some nice adc in a small package.
or go for the SD and you can fund that by selling off some of the other gear.
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All I know is Nbox>MR1 rocks!! If you need more proof check out my Eagles recording from Sunday (the sound quality, not music quality)
Perfect little stealth setup.
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you should contact nick maybe he would be willing to build adjustable gain into your Nbox for you for a couple hundy
then get the ad2k+ and your gain problems would be solved
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not entirely sure i know what you hope to accomplish with the nbox rig (assuming stealth since you already have other larger and equally nice gear).
86 the korg and get a r-09 is a good option for some nice adc in a small package.
or go for the SD and you can fund that by selling off some of the other gear.
well, heres the 2 situations i see coming up that will have different applications. phil is in 2 weeks, i can carry as much gear as i want, but since i am running up front, the low profile mk4 on stcg bar will be ideal. my gear footprint is irrelevant. a couple weeks after that, i am hitting the police/elvis costello show where low profile will be the mantra of the day, and only critical gear will find its way in with me. in situation 1, i can run wide open (within reason) and do as i wish, in situation 2, i will need to be more economical about what i carry.
basically looking to have my cake and eat it to.
as far as the r-09, my understanding is that edirol device records to 24/44.1, has issues with a line in jack, and i would need to get a whole other storage medium (i think, but i maybe wrong, it takes sd cards right?? if cf, the point is moot). so, while i know there are others who dig this device, i have decided to go in a different direction. i consider the above three things negatives, and thats too many for my to buy another device, but that is not an indictment of the r09, just my opinion.
4 channel is kind of a separate deal. and only the recorders would go when the decision is made to go for a 7xx device, whichever that may be. i have posted looking for some other opinions about some 7xx stuff, and boojum keeps touting dual 722's with c link. i do believe he is trying to get me into big, big, trouble with wifey. :P :)
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as far as the r-09, my understanding is that edirol device records to 24/44.1, has issues with a line in jack, and i would need to get a whole other storage medium (i think, but i maybe wrong, it takes sd cards right?? if cf, the point is moot). so, while i know there are others who dig this device, i have decided to go in a different direction. i consider the above three things negatives, and thats too many for my to buy another device, but that is not an indictment of the r09, just my opinion.
Search on the r-09hr. There's lots of threads on it here. SD cards are cheap, the HR does 24/96, it's size makes it ideal for stealth and with the one retailer here offering 10% off right now, there's many reasons to consider getting it.
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depending how hot the nbox output is, you could just set the levels low on the AD2K and normalize it in post. the noise floor on the AD2k is so low, that it is very forgiving. i recently did a comp, where one of the setups was mk4>cmr>AD2K with no preamp (AD2K set to +14dB). levels peaked at about -27 dB, i normalized it in post, i couldnt hear any additional noise beyond the noise generated from the mics themselves. the noise floor of the ad2k is around 117 dB, schoeps caps have 79 dB dynamic range, so theres quite a window in there. in any real world live recording situation, your crowd noise is going to be well above both of these noise floors.
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All I know is Nbox>MR1 rocks!! If you need more proof check out my Eagles recording from Sunday (the sound quality, not music quality)
Perfect little stealth setup.
I have to agree with Keith on this one. For loud stealth shows this is perfect.
If you are doing any quieter stuff, you might need another plan......cranking the gain
on the MR-1 past 6-7 will add plenty of noise.
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you will need an attenuator cable if you use the microtracker....nicky built one for me (RCA out of Nbox > TRS for MT). you will also need a battery solution cause the MT interior battery wont last long and is not user replaceable
not sure if you need attenuators with the korg or r-09 but i am pretty sure they take regular batteries - AA's maybe
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The r09 has a unity setting of 8, so you should be all set at most shows, I have only been to two shows where the R09 with an attenuator had to be turned down, where the R09 then also attenuates.
One was Godsmack where I was about 8' to the PA on the floor in front of me, and one was Tesla in a club where they brought in their own PA
The Nbox with the R09 is a simple, and easy solution and worth the time and effort
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i agree w/ keith nbox-> mr-1 is the sh*t.
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I also agree to stay with the mr-1. IMO they sound on the same level as the SD7XX series if not better in the right circumstances. DSD recording sounds amazing IMO and you can't beat the size (even though you have to carry around an external battery).
I just hope Korg releases an MR-2 this summer as it looks like the MR-1 may be being phased out (i.e. the $200 off and other deep discounts).
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do i save my money and buy the 744 like i planned in a couple of months??
yes, you will thank yourself later