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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: shotyd on June 27, 2008, 04:14:48 PM
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I will record Katt Williams tomorrow, it is at Gibson Amphitheater (indoors). does it make any difference with windscreen on or off for in door show? leave it on or off? Thanks!
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What kind of microphones are you using?
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What kind of microphones are you using?
Church Audio CA-11 Cardioid.
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I say 'on'. Gives that little bit more protection to any breeze (air-con etc), people walking past, slight movements for example. Obviously you'll never get rid of phasing completely but I find that using windscreens at least makes it less noticable imo.
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What kind of microphones are you using?
Church Audio CA-11 Cardioid.
If it were me and my set of card mics, I wouldn't see harm in leaving them on so they would stay on. :)
People say card mics are not as forgiving as omni mics so I think you would want windscreens.
I hope others will post their response as well.
-Sean
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Thank you Liquid Drum and rastasean for the quick reply! I will leave them on..see how it turns out :)
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If in doubt- leave 'em on. It's a lot easier to boost the high end a little later on to compensate for the screens than it is to undo wind rumble.
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I believe Chris Church even recommended keeping them on no matter what cap you have on. But maybe he can chime in on that.
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on for dust too
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windscreens on all the time imo.
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windscreens on all the time imo.
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Off.
Unless you think you're gonna be close to a ceiling fan or AC duct..
Otherwise you're gonna muffle the sound. Might as well run the mics inside your pocket.
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on for dust too
Agreed. I always use w/s.
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On always. Dust, air, cig. smoke, the stand takes a dive after some drunk hits it. If my mics fell 7+ feet I'd damn sure want at least something on the caps instead of them taking the brunt of the fall.
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windscreens on all the time imo.
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so how did the show turn out WITH the windscreens on? :) :D
have a great week,
Sean
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so how did the show turn out WITH the windscreens on? :) :D
have a great week,
Sean
my r-09 craped out so did my battery box...so i didn't even get to record dwith the internal mic! i was so mad...but it was a very good show nonetheless! will record in July 19th, very loud noise band...I think i should record about volume 6..
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Off.
Unless you think you're gonna be close to a ceiling fan or AC duct..
Otherwise you're gonna muffle the sound. Might as well run the mics inside your pocket.
Well that would be the case if I was using radio shack windscreens but thankfully I am not. Leave the windscreens on :) Heck I even build a mic with permanent windscreens on them the CA-14'S I have tested with and without and if you can hear the difference with your mics I would suspect you are using cheap windscreens.
My recommendation for my mics No mater what capsule you are using Leave them on.
Chris
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In general, if you take the spectrum of directional patterns from omni to figure-8 (with cardioid being smack in the middle), that also tells you the relative sensitivity to wind noise in condenser microphones. Single-diaphragm omni microphones are far less sensitive to wind noise--like maybe 20 - 25 dB less--than comparable cardioid, supercardioid or figure-8 microphones. The same is true with solid-borne sound such as handling noise or mechanical vibration--single-diaphragm omni condensers sometimes don't need shock mounting at all even in situations where a directional microphone would need it badly.
So it really does make some sense to consider which type of microphone is being used. And sometimes, if you know in advance that there's likely to be wind, you might even lean toward using omni or wide cardioid microphones just so that you don't have so much of a problem with it to begin with.
Also, the effectiveness of a windscreen at suppressing wind noise isn't necessarily in any direct proportion to the losses it will cause at the highest audio frequencies. Some windscreens, for example, might reduce the wind noise on some types of microphone by 12 - 15 dB while causing only about 1 to 2 dB of signal loss at 16 kHz. Others might supress wind noise by 25 dB and still only lose 2 or 2.5 dB at the top. Considering the degree of benefit, and the fact that wind noise often can't be filtered out without killing the bass AND the lower midrange--or even all of the midrange--of a recording, I'd gladly accept the protection.
And you can even add back a dB or two at 16 kHz afterward so that you've gained protection without losing anything sonically to speak of--I'd call that a good day.
--best regards
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Seems like everytime I post on something you assume I speaking to you or about your stuff,I I were it would be obvious. Jesus.
I have only used windscreens once,a month or so ago in a stadium. Other than that even outside, I have never-ever- used them, and never-not once- had a problem. So....again..it depends on the situation. Like I said.
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- are AT mic screens "cheapo windscreens" ??? You tell me. I don't use them anyway, so you won't hurt my feelings.
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Seems like everytime I post on something you assume I speaking to you or about your stuff,I I were it would be obvious. Jesus.
I have only used windscreens once,a month or so ago in a stadium. Other than that even outside, I have never-ever- used them, and never-not once- had a problem. So....again..it depends on the situation. Like I said.
you my friend have been VERY LUCKY then ;)
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Seems like everytime I post on something you assume I speaking to you or about your stuff,I I were it would be obvious. Jesus.
I have only used windscreens once,a month or so ago in a stadium. Other than that even outside, I have never-ever- used them, and never-not once- had a problem. So....again..it depends on the situation. Like I said.
Yeah OK.. Well since this thread is about my Mics... I assumed that we were talking about the windscreens I use. And as per usual your taking this personal, relax have a cold one. I just wanted to set the record straight my windscreens have very little to no effect on top end. And I dont know what windscreens AT uses and dont really care since this thread was about my mics and if you should or should not use windscreens on them. And since you dont own a pair I wonder why you would even comment in the first place?
Anyway sorry to have offended you.
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I never run without screens. I have a low profile set of light Windtechs for indoors that I use mostly for smoke screens, and a heavy duty pair of Shure A81WS for outdoors. Couple weeks ago at Penn's Landing for Phil, no screens, all you would have recorded would have been heavy rumble.