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Title: Newb question: why do they call it "phantom" power?
Post by: ScotK on July 05, 2008, 06:01:05 AM
I've always used mics with 1/8" stereo plugs and sometimes a 9V battery box.
It looks like the step-up mics are usually XLR and require "phantom power". Why
is it called "phantom power"?
thanks,

scot
Title: Re: Newb question: why do they call it "phantom" power?
Post by: digifish_music on July 05, 2008, 06:29:30 AM
I've always used mics with 1/8" stereo plugs and sometimes a 9V battery box.
It looks like the step-up mics are usually XLR and require "phantom power". Why
is it called "phantom power"?
thanks,

scot

Phantom power was originally used to power telephones, called phantom because it seemingly comes from nowhere (as the DC power is fed down the communications line rather than a separate power line). In the case of a mic, down the mic-cable.

digifish.
Title: Re: Newb question: why do they call it "phantom" power?
Post by: John Willett on July 05, 2008, 08:44:27 AM
Digifish said it.

Because phantom power is sent on both +ve and -ve lines equally - to the audio it is invisible - hence the use of the word "Phantom".
Title: Re: Newb question: why do they call it "phantom" power?
Post by: DSatz on July 05, 2008, 08:56:49 AM
John Willett said it: Digifish said it.  :D

Phantom powering was a major chaos reducer in studios. When it started to be used in the mid-sixties, the transition in condenser microphones from tube to solid-state was just underway. Tube microphones used multi-core cables with audio on one pair of lines, the plate and filament voltages on (generally) two others, plus shield and ground. Obviously their connectors had more than three pins, but there wasn't any one standard for the cables or power supply voltages.

Meanwhile, dynamic microphones already used XLR-3 cables like those we would use today for almost any professional microphone (or in West Germany, miniature 3-pin Tuchels). And some of the earliest solid-state condenser microphones used a system called "parallel" or "T" powering, which was developed mostly for the Nagra portable recorders used by film sound recordists. John's company played a big part in that. Parallel-powered condenser microphones used the same type of cables as dynamic microphones, but the powering system itself was totally incompatible with dynamic microphones--if you left it on by mistake, it could instantly destroy a ribbon mike or even a conventional moving-coil dynamic.

So the two very welcome advantages that "phantom" powering offered were that (1) it worked with the same, ordinary cables that were already being used for dynamic microphones, and (2) you could leave it on all the time--if a microphone needed phantom powering it would take it, while to a balanced dynamic microphone, the voltage seemed not to be there at all. That latter feature is the "phantomness" of the system--it's both there and not there, as required.

--best regards
Title: Re: Newb question: why do they call it "phantom" power?
Post by: stantheman1976 on July 05, 2008, 10:46:21 AM
Because it's really spooky. :o