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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: Om_Audio on July 24, 2008, 03:16:26 PM
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Hello-
I have been using an M-Audio Microtrack 24/96 for awhile- don't really like it for many reasons and am considering the Olympus LS-10 as a replacement. My main question is about recording very loud sources and if the Olympus can handle say recording a live rock show in a small venue ver close to stage. The Microtrack had an external 20dB buffer that i lost and now only get distorted recordings as the built in input settings are not sufficient.
I looked at a few others which have their own features I like but I think the Olympus is great as it has built in mics, small size, good battery life, and a speaker (great for reference)
any info appreciated-
Om
PS- good article-
http://emusician.com/daw/emusic_studio_pocket/
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The LS-10 has higher mic sensitivity than most small recorders. So it's likely to be overloaded by a really loud show without padding the signal from the mics. Or try recording into the Line-in jack.
The best small recorder I've seen for that situation is the Tascam DR-1. With the latest firmware, the DR-1 has a third "lower-than-low" sensitivity setting that is perfect for loud shows.
Flintstone
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Boy that's a big ol bummer. Thanks very much for the info. I will record loud rehearsals and shows in addition to my own songs and ideas. My friend brought over the Tascam the other day- was pretty big and no speaker. Might just get one of those anyway- it was my 2nd choice for several reasons (metronome, tuner, price, etc-)
Om
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One last thing- have you actually used the LS-10 in a very loud environment? I might do some more digging as I really like the small size and speakers- thanks.
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No problems with the LS-10 - I love it.
The mic. has a low sensitivity setting for the loud events and a manually adjustable level.
It also has a limiter.
I used it in anger at the Whitley Bay International Jazz Festival two weeks ago - it was great and I was surprised how good it was.
Superb machine - decent metal body, feels "right" quick and instinctive to use - just make sure yo get the optional SD card(s) - I did.
No regrets getting it at all.
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There's jazz concerts, and then there's loud concerts...just sayin'
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Thanks all for the info-
I agree though about jazz/rock- I'd like to see if anyone has used the LS-10 in a loud rehearsal room or a small venue rock show- i.e LOUD
thanks
Om
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bump
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I have a couple unrelated questions on the LS10, but I might as well bump this thread in the hopes at least one of us gets the answers we are looking for.
I hear people talking about the low and non-adjustable sensitivity of the line input, usually as a negative. But is it safe to assume this means it should be always able to handle a patch from an FOH console without attenuation?
Anyone have any insight into the chances for a firmware update to fix the 2 gig limitation? I'd love to be able to leave one running unattended for several hours at 24/44.1
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Anyone have any insight into the chances for a firmware update to fix the 2 gig limitation? I'd love to be able to leave one running unattended for several hours at 24/44.1
Did anyone actually bother to get in touch with Olympus to submit this as a feature request?
I know the chances of getting a meaningful response diminishes with the size of the company. But there are other firms who actually listen to their customer base, so maybe it's worth a try? Best case scenario would be to hook up with their engineers and get a dialog rolling...
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Hello-
I have been using an M-Audio Microtrack 24/96 for awhile- don't really like it for many reasons and am considering the Olympus LS-10 as a replacement. My main question is about recording very loud sources and if the Olympus can handle say recording a live rock show in a small venue ver close to stage. The Microtrack had an external 20dB buffer that i lost and now only get distorted recordings as the built in input settings are not sufficient.
I looked at a few others which have their own features I like but I think the Olympus is great as it has built in mics, small size, good battery life, and a speaker (great for reference)
any info appreciated-
Om
PS- good article-
http://emusician.com/daw/emusic_studio_pocket/
one alternative is to buy or build a 1/8" to 1/4"TRS set of jacks. The issues that the MT 2496 has at 1/8" are not issues with the 1/4" TRS inputs. I have a battery box that sits atop the unit that does this, but prior to that I just made something with ratshack parts that converted my (soundpro modded 1/8 input) AT853's from 1/8 to 1/4 and had no issues after that.
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the link to leave comments is broken on the Olympus site
so I emailed a customer service rep who returned an email to me on Aug 27
here is a copy of what I sent him:
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I would like to make the following feature requests for the LS-10:
- mono recording mode -- handy for film and sound people working with shotgun mics
- record @ 88.2kHz - presents an easier way to downsample to 44.1kHz for CD production
- record files larger than 2G -- for unattended location recording and live music taping
- one button push for 'record into new file' while still in record mode...sometimes called a 'divide' function.
- for example: while recording into file LS001 you hit the 'next' button
and immediately start recording into LS002 - very handy for chopping takes into separate files for easier auditioning
- have firmware updates available for *OS X* and Linux in addition to XP!!!
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the link to leave comments is broken on the Olympus site
so I emailed a customer service rep who returned an email to me on Aug 27
here is a copy of what I sent him:
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I would like to make the following feature requests for the LS-10:
- mono recording mode -- handy for film and sound people working with shotgun mics
- record @ 88.2kHz - presents an easier way to downsample to 44.1kHz for CD production
- record files larger than 2G -- for unattended location recording and live music taping
- one button push for 'record into new file' while still in record mode...sometimes called a 'divide' function.
- for example: while recording into file LS001 you hit the 'next' button
and immediately start recording into LS002 - very handy for chopping takes into separate files for easier auditioning
- have firmware updates available for *OS X* and Linux in addition to XP!!!
The one thing I asked them to add for the next version was a digital input (maybe an optical one using the same socket as line-in) - that would make the LS-10 a superb littille back-up machine as well.
I'm still very happy with mine, though.
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yeah -- maybe some way of using the USB connector?
such as invoking a mode on the LS-10 that wouldn't mount it as a drive
that would allow you to write to it in real time
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here some reviews with audio samples:
http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2008/05/22/olympus-ls-10-recorder-review.html
http://www.wingfieldaudio.com/olympus-ls-10-review.html
http://transom.org/tools/recording_interviewing/200805_olympus_ls10/
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any inputs on how the LS-10 measures up against the R-09HR? I'm soon to make the investment in a 24bit recorder for primarily loud, stealth rock shows and I'd be very curious to hear any insights.
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any inputs on how the LS-10 measures up against the R-09HR? I'm soon to make the investment in a 24bit recorder for primarily loud, stealth rock shows and I'd be very curious to hear any insights.
http://www.avisoft.com/recordertests.htm
24bit seems resulting in very low noise on the ls-10.
Nevertheless there is still no firmware upgrade to record more than 2GB without shutting down.
MIC-IN should work fine also for loud shows with low-sens-mics such as DPA 4061 and the "built-in" roll off would be perfect for 4061s (I´m talking about the roll-off which is always there for built-in mics and mic-in recordings - on LINE-IN there is no default roll-off as guysonic already mentioned) ;).
HIGH-sens-mics on line-in should produce enough output as shown on this torrent with 2 short samples:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=212223
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Tomorrow I´ll be taping the 1st part of a rock-show in a small club with the LS-10 internals and the 2nd part with my DPA 4061+bbox on MIC-IN with it´s "natural" bass-roll-off ;).
Will post some samples here....
I really "love" the LS-10 a lot! :)