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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: twoodruff on August 02, 2008, 11:53:23 PM
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what's the difference? sonically mainly. And is the 170 internally shockmounted as well? I know about the u89i, nothing about the 170s.
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the 170 is internally shockmounted as well.. and from what I understand (as Ive never run u87/u89's) the 170 is more neutral (transparent, uncoloured) than the u87/u87..
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I've owned and used them both. I could hear no difference in sound between them and would expect none, except at the very, very bottom of the frequency range where the built in high-pass filtering in the amplifiers have different slopes. For that matter you can include the TLM 193, which is built around the same capsule--it sounds just like the cardioid setting of the TLM 170 or U 89 except that it has even less filtering at the bottom end in the amplifier.
All are very good microphones, but not very popular outside the classical world because they lack the usual "Neumann signature sound" (they don't emphasize the midrange or the high end to speak of). People who are into the "vintage Neumann" sound generally dislike this series. They're not "vocal microphones" in the sense of making a voice sound bigger or more impressive or professional than it really is, like a U 47 does. They are reliable, more or less neutral-sounding microphones. Again the frequency response in the upper midrange isn't quite as smooth as the (smoothed, idealized) printed graphs indicate, but the overall shape of the curves is about right.
Internal shock mounting in a microphone is an emergency measure, not magic--it can make an otherwise unusable recording usable, but you can still hear the effects of ordinary bumps and vibrations.
Let me know if you have any other questions about these.
--best regards
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ok have you ever used the beyer mc740n or 840s? Just wanting to either try a new LD or go back to the u89s.
Trey
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Trey, here are some vocals using the 740n on a session we did a year or so ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjda6a6vjUA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjda6a6vjUA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxBmmGgp9IU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxBmmGgp9IU)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0u5OhEqpNI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0u5OhEqpNI)
vocals were captured in subcard setting. Pre/ad was a metric halo. FWIW, the guitar had a beyer mc930 and ck703 (the other 930 had moisture issues causing static). Pre/ad on that was a apogee mme.
As for in the field for concert taping. Dirk probably has some samples to send you. I played with them a couple times. Here they are in blumlein at Smith's in Atlanta for NRPS.
http://www.archive.org/details/nrps2006-10-24..flac (http://www.archive.org/details/nrps2006-10-24..flac)
opener with D. Gans
http://www.archive.org/details/nrps2006-10-24..flac (http://www.archive.org/details/nrps2006-10-24..flac)
have a black keys show from workplay somewhere with these mics as well. I'll see if I can dig it up and send you a sample.
These are some of my favorite ld's. Sound very smooth and natural.
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Just wanting to either try a new LD or go back to the u89s.
if you're open to suggestions, how about a pair of Microtech Gefell um900.
http://www.microtechgefell.de/eng/home.htm (http://www.microtechgefell.de/eng/home.htm) > Studio Condensers
or
http://www.microtechgefell.de/eng/prod/konden/um900/um900_0.htm (http://www.microtechgefell.de/eng/prod/konden/um900/um900_0.htm)
(http://www.microtechgefell.de/eng/prod/konden/um900/um900_1.jpg)
large diaphram tube mic, 48V phantom power, omni, wide cardioid, cardioid, hyper cardioid and figure 8
kick ass all around :)
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the um900 is so sexy it tempts me to type something inappropriate.
I'll simply say that I'd love to operate a pair of those...
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nice, a bit out of my price range
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ok have you ever used the beyer mc740n or 840s? Just wanting to either try a new LD or go back to the u89s.
Trey
MC740 stage lip, split omni:
http://www.bigpurpledog.com/audio/players1.flac (http://www.bigpurpledog.com/audio/players1.flac)
http://www.bigpurpledog.com/audio/players2.flac (http://www.bigpurpledog.com/audio/players2.flac)
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ok have you ever used the beyer mc740n or 840s? Just wanting to either try a new LD or go back to the u89s.
Trey
MC740 stage lip, split omni:
http://www.bigpurpledog.com/audio/players1.flac (http://www.bigpurpledog.com/audio/players1.flac)
http://www.bigpurpledog.com/audio/players2.flac (http://www.bigpurpledog.com/audio/players2.flac)
Hey, you Beyer dudes KNOW you're talking to yourselves...we all know that Trey is a confirmed Neumann man! Stick to your guns Trey! I'm now Neumann-less and, while I'm loving the DPA's, that doesn't mean I don't miss my Neumann mics...ALOT! I've heard those Neumann LD mics and I think they sound fantastic, although I'm not about to try and trump what Mr. Neumann (I mean, Mr. Satz) has to say about them...I do have to say that I think they sound more Neumann-ish than not.
...and BTW, for those of you that have said that MG LD mic is sexy looking, it could be because it looks to have as many functional uses as a sexual aid device as it does a microphone!!! ;D ;D
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Trey, you could always be bold and go Russian too. You'd be untouchable with a pair of MC51 or MC416.
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ok have you ever used the beyer mc740n or 840s? Just wanting to either try a new LD or go back to the u89s.
Trey
MC740 stage lip, split omni:
http://www.bigpurpledog.com/audio/players1.flac (http://www.bigpurpledog.com/audio/players1.flac)
http://www.bigpurpledog.com/audio/players2.flac (http://www.bigpurpledog.com/audio/players2.flac)
...and BTW, for those of you that have said that MG LD mic is sexy looking, it could be because it looks to have as many functional uses as a sexual aid device as it does a microphone!!! ;D ;D
(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/ericBowne/taping%20rig/neumann.jpg)
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BTW, just say the word and the 740's will be on their way to Jackson.
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BTW, just say the word and the 740's will be on their way to Jackson.
word. :P you know they are really for me anyway.
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BTW, just say the word and the 740's will be on their way to Jackson.
word. :P you know they are really for me anyway.
PM me the pertinent details and they will be on the way this week.
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thanks dirk
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(http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g213/ericBowne/taping%20rig/neumann.jpg)
Oooh la la!
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no problem. I've been experimenting with other mics for overheads lately, so I can spare them for a while.
Just tell me where to send them.
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have you sent them yet? We may want to wait until there is something to record, or is there something I don't know about, drew?
Trey
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there is nothing to record at the moment, but i will find something. pm sent dirk.
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Just wanting to either try a new LD or go back to the u89s.
if you're open to suggestions, how about a pair of Microtech Gefell um900.
http://www.microtechgefell.de/eng/home.htm (http://www.microtechgefell.de/eng/home.htm) > Studio Condensers
or
http://www.microtechgefell.de/eng/prod/konden/um900/um900_0.htm (http://www.microtechgefell.de/eng/prod/konden/um900/um900_0.htm)
(http://www.microtechgefell.de/eng/prod/konden/um900/um900_1.jpg)
large diaphram tube mic, 48V phantom power, omni, wide cardioid, cardioid, hyper cardioid and figure 8
kick ass all around :)
been there done that, mics are way too heavy and i'm not sure of the tube is microphonic out in the taper's field
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the russian stuff is a good suggestion, also check these out ldc sound in sdc package
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the russian stuff is a good suggestion, also check these out ldc sound in sdc package
Quit posting that shit unless you're going to send them to me.
;D
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the russian stuff is a good suggestion, also check these out ldc sound in sdc package
Quit posting that shit unless you're going to send them to me.
;D
If I send stuff to you, I'll end up mic less ;D
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the russian stuff is a good suggestion, also check these out ldc sound in sdc package
Quit posting that shit unless you're going to send them to me.
;D
If I send stuff to you, I'll end up mic less ;D
I'll trade you for em, then. Maybe a couple of Russians and an SM57...?
>:D