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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: Church-Audio on October 01, 2008, 08:35:32 PM
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R09HR vs Olympus LS-10 any thoughts? If you could get just one what one would you get? And why?
Chris
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You might get more clicks if the Edirol Model number was correct as:
R09HR (R zero nine H R)
;D ;)
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I was very close to getting the Olympus until I heard some comparison recordings somewhere around here. In those, the Olympus sounded a lot more tinny and less "open" than the Edirol. Therefore, I went with the latter and have absolutely loved it from day one. I may eventually buy the Olympus, too, just to see what it's like, but for now I'm perfectly content with the Edirol. :)
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I was very close to getting the Olympus until I heard some comparison recordings somewhere around here. In those, the Olympus sounded a lot more tinny and less "open" than the Edirol. Therefore, I went with the latter and have absolutely loved it from day one. I may eventually buy the Olympus, too, just to see what it's like, but for now I'm perfectly content with the Edirol. :)
The published specs seem to indicate they have both got relatively flat frequency response. But again I have not hear the LS-10 the one thing that gets me on the side of the LS-10 is the price $259 vrs $330 for the R09HR
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You might get more clicks if the Edirol Model number was correct as:
R09HR (R zero nine H R)
;D ;)
That's what happens when you have a hot soldering iron in one hand and your typing with the other :)
Chris
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I am 99% sure the LS-10 Team thread has links to comparisons recordings, I know I have seen it compared to other decks here on TS
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For what it is worth, I don't think I have ever downloaded a show recorded on an LS-10, so there must not be a lot of people choosing it. Lots of 09's and 09HR's, though.
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I went for the Olympus LS-10 - it's excellent.
My short-list was the same as yours, though (except I had the PCM-D50 on it as well).
I eventually went for the LS-10 because it felt perfect in the hand, is instinctive to operate and is the size of a mobile 'phone that is small enough to fit in your pocket and can have with you all the time.
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For what it is worth, I don't think I have ever downloaded a show recorded on an LS-10, so there must not be a lot of people choosing it. Lots of 09's and 09HR's, though.
Here is a LS-10 SP-CMC-8 recording with 2 samples:
http://www.dimeadozen.org/torrents-details.php?id=212223
The strange LS-10-bass-roll-off does NOT occur on LINE-IN.
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For what it is worth, I don't think I have ever downloaded a show recorded on an LS-10, so there must not be a lot of people choosing it. Lots of 09's and 09HR's, though.
Excellent point ;)
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I went for the Olympus LS-10 - it's excellent.
My short-list was the same as yours, though (except I had the PCM-D50 on it as well).
I eventually went for the LS-10 because it felt perfect in the hand, is instinctive to operate and is the size of a mobile 'phone that is small enough to fit in your pocket and can have with you all the time.
Jeez... now I want to buy one, for the reasons you mention. I'll have my wife call you when she sees the bill... ;D
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the one thing that gets me on the side of the LS-10 is the price $259 vrs $330 for the R09HR
Where are you seeing that price of $259 for the LS-10?
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Compuplus.com is selling the LS-10 for $269 plus $15 shipping. I see the R-09HR for $320 with $8 shipping from Buy.com.
I have purchased equipment from this dealer in the past, and had no problems. I doubt that they are factory- authorized, so you might want to ask about that before ordering. It could affect your warranty.
I think the LS-10 has the best ergonomics of any small recorder, bar none. It's an excellent design. And you can record WAV files for 10 hours or more on 2 AAs. Also worth noting is that the LS-10 can play and record WMA format as well as WAV and MP3.
The LS-10 includes several useful accessories. Standard equipment includes 2 GB of memory built in, a padded case, a tripod socket, a pair of foam windscreens, a wrist strap, and a copy of Cubase LE4 audio editing software. You have to buy an AC adapter separately. Olympus says it plans to offer a wireless remote control for the LS-10, but it's not available yet.
Guysonic's tests documented that the LS-10 has a distinct bass step down below 200 hz. The R-09HR has a bass reduction below 200 Hz, but not so pronounced. The step down is like a low cut filter you can't turn off. This helps subdue wind noise and handling noise. The reduced bass is an issue if you're recording Wyclef Jean or ocean surf, but I don't notice it with acoustic music, speech, and ambient sounds.
The Edirol R-09HR package includes an infra-red wireless remote control. The remote works from a distance up to 25 feet or so. The infra-red receiver is on the top of the R-09HR, so you have to place it so it's horizontal and facing toward you to use the remote. I think this makes the remote more useful during playback than for recording.
The R-09HR also includes an AC adapter, a desktop stand, Cakewalk Pyro Audio LE audio editing software, and a 512 mb secure digital media card.
If you want to mount the R-09HR on a tripod or boom pole you need to purchase the OP-R09HR-C case with tripod socket. This $55 accessory includes a small desktop tripod, too. The OP-R09WS foam windscreen costs about $30.
Both recorders benefit from a more protective fuzzy windscreen if you're outside in the breeze. The Rode mic people make a model called the "Dead Kitten" which fits most small recorders. It's $25 from Sweetwater.com.
Flintstone
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As someone who doesn't own either, but who has contemplated both, it seems to me it boils down to the Edirol having the slight edge in audio quality and the LS having the edge on form factor and ergonomics/usability (tripod mount is nice touch too, pair that with a clamp and you've got a pretty portable rig, lol). There are other, more minor, distinctions of course, but it seems like that is the general consensus when reviewing a lot of the comments on TS at least. Personally, I'd go for the LS if I had a decent main rig too.
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mp3 sample: Steve Lukather speaking about TOTO
VERY LOW NOISE with sp-cmc-8 cardioids + bbox + line-in on the LS-10
12 12 The Demise of Toto.mp3 - 2.63MB (http://www.zshare.net/audio/198645278a4b6e95/)
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For what it is worth, I don't think I have ever downloaded a show recorded on an LS-10, so there must not be a lot of people choosing it. Lots of 09's and 09HR's, though.
Remember that the 09 has been around a while and the HR comes on the back of a good pedigree.
The LS-10 is very new and also has to overcome resistance due to Olympus's camera and Dictaphone image - that's what I initially thought until I actually held the LS-10 in my hand and was immediately hooked.
SO don't read too much into that.
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I went for the Olympus LS-10 - it's excellent.
My short-list was the same as yours, though (except I had the PCM-D50 on it as well).
I eventually went for the LS-10 because it felt perfect in the hand, is instinctive to operate and is the size of a mobile 'phone that is small enough to fit in your pocket and can have with you all the time.
Jeez... now I want to buy one, for the reasons you mention. I'll have my wife call you when she sees the bill... ;D
Mine didn't mind at all as the LS-10 is pretty cheap really - I only had problems when she saw the bill for my new Nagra VI - I could have got twenty LS-10 for the price of the Nagra (I got the Nagra VI with the high capacity battery and case). But I can't fit the Nagra in my pocket. ;D
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I went for the Olympus LS-10 - it's excellent.
My short-list was the same as yours, though (except I had the PCM-D50 on it as well).
I eventually went for the LS-10 because it felt perfect in the hand, is instinctive to operate and is the size of a mobile 'phone that is small enough to fit in your pocket and can have with you all the time.
Jeez... now I want to buy one, for the reasons you mention. I'll have my wife call you when she sees the bill... ;D
Mine didn't mind at all as the LS-10 is pretty cheap really - I only had problems when she saw the bill for my new Nagra VI - I could have got twenty LS-10 for the price of the Nagra (I got the Nagra VI with the high capacity battery and case). But I can't fit the Nagra in my pocket. ;D
Thank you for the obvious solution...I'll order the LS 10 and the Nagra VI at the same time. When my wife sees the bill on that I'll offer to return the Nagra (reluctantly I might add) and she'll barely notice the Olympus at that point. 8). Thanks!
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I went for the Olympus LS-10 - it's excellent.
My short-list was the same as yours, though (except I had the PCM-D50 on it as well).
I eventually went for the LS-10 because it felt perfect in the hand, is instinctive to operate and is the size of a mobile 'phone that is small enough to fit in your pocket and can have with you all the time.
Jeez... now I want to buy one, for the reasons you mention. I'll have my wife call you when she sees the bill... ;D
Mine didn't mind at all as the LS-10 is pretty cheap really - I only had problems when she saw the bill for my new Nagra VI - I could have got twenty LS-10 for the price of the Nagra (I got the Nagra VI with the high capacity battery and case). But I can't fit the Nagra in my pocket. ;D
Thank you for the obvious solution...I'll order the LS 10 and the Nagra VI at the same time. When my wife sees the bill on that I'll offer to return the Nagra (reluctantly I might add) and she'll barely notice the Olympus at that point. 8). Thanks!
That's a good idea ;D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQfgDk22a5M
This is a very, very happy dude with his LS10. I'm sure there's ones on the 09HR too.
edit:
http://happen2bblack.com/
That's the site he mentions. You can listen to his podcasts without downloading them. The audio seems to lack bass when compared to the video audio from the youtube video. Maybe its just me tho. Maybe it was his settings but thats just what it sounds like to me.
edit again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YiB1W2rl8o4
CNET didn't seem to mind it except for the "$400 price" but we know its less than that. I personally like the fact it comes with an adapter. Does the LS10?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbOXABcO3qE
Demonstration of air microphone from the camera and the underwater hydrophone as documented in my blog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7MKqpGtaHc
Filmed in 720p using Panasonic's Lumix DMC-TZ5 with the lens set full wide at 28mm. Audio was recorded on the Edirol R-09HR digital recorder set to 24bit 96kHz using the limiter / auto gain control with the built in stereo microphones.
I like the LS10 for the reasons mentioned--small and real good sound for such a small device. but the 09hr seems more adaptable but I would expect that for about $100 more. I don't think this is anything but a win-win situation for whichever recorder you decide.
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I like the LS10 for the reasons mentioned--small and real good sound for such a small device. but the 09hr seems more adaptable but I would expect that for about $100 more. I don't think this is anything but a win-win situation for whichever recorder you decide.
Before I decided on the Olympus LS-10, my short list was the Olympus LS-10, Edirol R-09HR and the Sony PCM-D50.
All are good and are slightly different - I am sure anyone would be happy with any of these three.
I would not say that any is really "better" than the others, but they all have slightly different strong points and you choose the one with the strong points that match your requirements.
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I also got the LS-10 today after reading lots of previews and checking audio samples and concert recording(s).
Additionally I did extensive look+feel-tests ;) of various recorders at my local store.
I had the r09hr before and absolutely don´t regret my decision to go for the LS-10.
:)
Size comparison:
Here my MZ-RH1-ipod classic 80GB-Olympus LS-10 and iriver ihp-120
(http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/2006/dimensionssy1.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
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I like the LS10 for the reasons mentioned--small and real good sound for such a small device. but the 09hr seems more adaptable but I would expect that for about $100 more. I don't think this is anything but a win-win situation for whichever recorder you decide.
Before I decided on the Olympus LS-10, my short list was the Olympus LS-10, Edirol R-09HR and the Sony PCM-D50.
All are good and are slightly different - I am sure anyone would be happy with any of these three.
I would not say that any is really "better" than the others, but they all have slightly different strong points and you choose the one with the strong points that match your requirements.
Now that`s the kind of point I really like. There`s no "better" recorder. There is the best for your needs/ears etc.
+T John Willet