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Title: R-4 Analog Out Question
Post by: tgakidis on October 28, 2008, 04:40:29 PM
Does anyone know if the analog out is a straight pass through or goes through the A>D.

Example:  Mics > R-4 (Analog out) > Recorder with analog in. (Basicly wondering if  the path would be A > D > A > D)
Title: Re: R-4 Analog Out Question
Post by: halleyscomet8 on October 28, 2008, 05:31:58 PM
inside the r4 it will go A>D>A and then another A>D in your recorder. hope that helps
Title: Re: R-4 Analog Out Question
Post by: tgakidis on October 28, 2008, 05:40:04 PM
inside the r4 it will go A>D>A and then another A>D in your recorder. hope that helps

That's what I thought. Thanks
Title: Re: R-4 Analog Out Question
Post by: SmokinJoe on October 28, 2008, 06:05:24 PM
I'm not positive, but I believe it is A > D and then D > A, but I expect this happens at some outrageous oversampling (like 128 times faster than 96khz) and at 24 bit, so personally I think this is only a problem in theory, not in practice.  The noise picked up in the cable connections would probably effect the sound more than these extra conversions.

The other consideration is that it would inherit the flavor of the pre... so when I record SBD into my Warm/Vintage mod R4, and you patch that you get Warm flavor into your Transparent.  If there were 5 in a daisy chain, all warm, it might get weird.
Title: Re: R-4 Analog Out Question
Post by: tgakidis on October 28, 2008, 06:44:24 PM
I'm not positive, but I believe it is A > D and then D > A, but I expect this happens at some outrageous oversampling (like 128 times faster than 96khz) and at 24 bit, so personally I think this is only a problem in theory, not in practice.  The noise picked up in the cable connections would probably effect the sound more than these extra conversions.

The other consideration is that it would inherit the flavor of the pre... so when I record SBD into my Warm/Vintage mod R4, and you patch that you get Warm flavor into your Transparent.  If there were 5 in a daisy chain, all warm, it might get weird.

Just wondering how a patch out with the R-09hr would be effected.  Like if I run 2 channels of 24/48 on the R-04, I could get a 24/96 copy on th R-9hr.
Title: Re: R-4 Analog Out Question
Post by: SmokinJoe on October 28, 2008, 07:09:02 PM
I'm not positive, but I believe it is A > D and then D > A, but I expect this happens at some outrageous oversampling (like 128 times faster than 96khz) and at 24 bit, so personally I think this is only a problem in theory, not in practice.  The noise picked up in the cable connections would probably effect the sound more than these extra conversions.

The other consideration is that it would inherit the flavor of the pre... so when I record SBD into my Warm/Vintage mod R4, and you patch that you get Warm flavor into your Transparent.  If there were 5 in a daisy chain, all warm, it might get weird.

Just wondering how a patch out with the R-09hr would be effected.  Like if I run 2 channels of 24/48 on the R-04, I could get a 24/96 copy on th R-9hr.

Just do it. It will be fine.  Will the patch be more pristine than the original? No.  Is it a good backup? Yes.

I have a set of splitter XLR cables.  Sometime when you feel ambitious, run this and see if you can hear much difference.
set1: mics > MMP > R4 > R09HR
set2: mics > MMP > splitters > R4 and R09HR
Title: Re: R-4 Analog Out Question
Post by: Brian Skalinder on October 28, 2008, 07:17:09 PM
Just wondering how a patch out with the R-09hr would be effected.  Like if I run 2 channels of 24/48 on the R-04, I could get a 24/96 copy on th R-9hr.

It'll work fine.  As already noted, the R-09 recording will undergo A/D (in the R-4), D/A (in the R-4), and A/D again (in the R-09).  If the R-4 is running at 24/48, there's no benefit to runing the R-09 at 24/96.  Stick with 24/48 for it, too.
Title: Re: R-4 Analog Out Question
Post by: tgakidis on October 29, 2008, 02:54:29 AM
Thanks guys, as i assumed.  +T in 55 posts ;D
Title: Re: R-4 Analog Out Question
Post by: run_run_run on October 29, 2008, 09:44:49 AM
Thanks guys, as i assumed.  +T in 55 posts ;D
got a text file going of IOU +Ts? ;)
Title: Re: R-4 Analog Out Question
Post by: fleish on October 30, 2008, 06:26:10 PM
Thanks guys, as i assumed.  +T in 55 posts ;D
got a text file going of IOU +Ts? ;)
LOL ... and a good idea! :P