edit: got 6th row right stack
when doing a stack tape would a simple AB config work best? or a tight xy? din etc one mic would be pointing at the wall no where near the sound source.
I have done it a once or twice.
XY
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when doing a stack tape, i usually just do AB
Being a DMB stack taper - A B pointed just to the outside of the stack as high as you can get the mics. And depending on the pre - and mics - some attenuation might be needed. My schoeps will almost always brickwall my PSP2 when that close - even though the signal looks fine on the 744... So I run a 10db pad in front of the PSP2
Jeff
If it's a smaller venue and the band has some stage volume, A-B with one mic at the stack and one at the stage can work.
Not debating what others have already suggested, but you mention that one mic is pointing at the wall. Remember, mics don't really care about that because they work as a unit, just like your ears. I mean, if the side of your head is facing a wall during a show, you don't necessarily have to turn your head so you can hear better or so you can hear the show in stereo, do you?
Quote from: tonedeaf on February 15, 2009, 07:54:09 PM
Not debating what others have already suggested, but you mention that one mic is pointing at the wall. Remember, mics don't really care about that because they work as a unit, just like your ears. I mean, if the side of your head is facing a wall during a show, you don't necessarily have to turn your head so you can hear better or so you can hear the show in stereo, do you?
ive noticed when i tape depening on where im facing, when one mic is more facing the PA, while the other is off to the side, looking at the show in audacity, the one facing the PA stack directly is much stronger/louder. of course this can be adjusted in post by simply amplifying the quieter mic channel moreso than the mic that was facing the PA
Quote from: DisturbedPyro on February 15, 2009, 08:36:32 PM
Quote from: tonedeaf on February 15, 2009, 07:54:09 PM
Not debating what others have already suggested, but you mention that one mic is pointing at the wall. Remember, mics don't really care about that because they work as a unit, just like your ears. I mean, if the side of your head is facing a wall during a show, you don't necessarily have to turn your head so you can hear better or so you can hear the show in stereo, do you?
ive noticed when i tape depening on where im facing, when one mic is more facing the PA, while the other is off to the side, looking at the show in audacity, the one facing the PA stack directly is much stronger/louder. of course this can be adjusted in post by simply amplifying the quieter mic channel moreso than the mic that was facing the PA
We have a venue locally where thats a problem; one PA is always more prominant in your recordings if you try and do a real stereo recording or you have balanced band (off of one PA) and a ton of crowd noise in one channel. My best recordings (IMHO) have come when I run a midside pointed 3/4ths of the way toward that stack from center and decode it to about a 60-40 degree angle between channels. Sound sort of mono-y but I'd prefer to have a sonically clear/appealing tape then one thats in brilliant stereo. YMMV, best of luck.
I would and have run something inbetween XY and DIN/DINa. I usually have a distance of around 3-4 inches MAX between the mics, and tighten the angle to around 60-70*. That way you still have a psuedo stereo image
leaning toward a tight xy. I'll be about 10-15 feet from the stack ? and it's not gonna be a rock show or anything. so I don't think brickwalling will be a issue.
Quote from: Gordon on February 16, 2009, 12:19:10 AM
leaning toward a tight xy. I'll be about 10-15 feet from the stack ? and it's not gonna be a rock show or anything. so I don't think brickwalling will be a issue.
God call. Ive run a tighter XY too, and liked those results. That's actually the ONLY TIME worth running XY IMO ;) And since you'll be so close, it will have alot wider of an image than youd normally get running XY, say in the OTS or from farther away! Good luck and post a sample or link in this thread once you nail it ;)
Just point the mics direct at the PA stack.
Quote from: Liquid Drum on February 16, 2009, 08:53:19 AM
Just point the mics direct at the PA stack.
yes that is best imo. the problem is, when stealthing, if you want to be facing the stage, one mic is facing the pa when the other isnt facing it as directly. this is my situation at the venue i tape at often. in front of the pa, when facing the stage, one mic is more directly at the stack, the other mic isnt since its on teh other side of my head. i know, i know, this is what comes from stealthing, and when youre running an open rig you can avoid this problem. but thats not my situation unfortunitly. i guess i could have my hat to the side like a "gangsta" ::)
Quote from: DisturbedPyro on February 16, 2009, 12:46:05 PM
i guess i could have my hat to the side like a "gangsta" ::)
That's how I run: Gansta style. :angel:
lol it wouldnt fit me. trust me. im very clean cut and very white
AB.
why so close? sleath?
XY 90* aimed at the middle of the stack.
Quote from: jlykos on March 02, 2009, 12:46:15 AM
XY 90* aimed at the middle of the stack.
That's exactly what Ive done one of the 3 or 4 times I've ever ran X/Y, and this produced the best results IMO!