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Title: Running Actives coincident with windscreens?
Post by: Matt Quinn on March 09, 2009, 02:16:15 PM
Any advice? I can run coincident pretty much perfectly with my Vark bar, but even small windscreens seem to throw the set up off. Would be awesome if there was an X/Y windscreen kinda like the Schoeps M/S screen, with the holes for the caps at a 90* angle.

(http://www.posthorn.com/Images/Schoeps/S_wms.jpg)
Title: Re: Running Actives coincident with windscreens?
Post by: Craig T on March 09, 2009, 02:23:01 PM
that Schoeps m/s windscreen is worthless.
Title: Re: Running Actives coincident with windscreens?
Post by: tgakidis on March 09, 2009, 03:42:52 PM
Higher spacer.  Go get a 3/8" coupler & bolt from the hardware store.
Title: Re: Running Actives coincident with windscreens?
Post by: Matt Quinn on March 09, 2009, 04:20:03 PM
Higher spacer.  Go get a 3/8" coupler & bolt from the hardware store.

Yes, that could work, but I want to keep vertical spacing between the caps to a minimum. I'll give it a try though. :)
Title: Re: Running Actives coincident with windscreens?
Post by: tgakidis on March 09, 2009, 04:31:09 PM
Higher spacer.  Go get a 3/8" coupler & bolt from the hardware store.

Yes, that could work, but I want to keep vertical spacing between the caps to a minimum. I'll give it a try though. :)


Understood....
Title: Re: Running Actives coincident with windscreens?
Post by: Will_S on March 09, 2009, 04:40:34 PM
Higher spacer.  Go get a 3/8" coupler & bolt from the hardware store.

Yes, that could work, but I want to keep vertical spacing between the caps to a minimum.

Well, depending on how the size of your capsules compare to the DPA 4011, there is this:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/309855-REG/DPA_Microphones_DUA0075_DUA0075_XY_Windscreen_for.html
Title: Re: Running Actives coincident with windscreens?
Post by: Matt Quinn on March 09, 2009, 04:57:13 PM
Higher spacer.  Go get a 3/8" coupler & bolt from the hardware store.

Yes, that could work, but I want to keep vertical spacing between the caps to a minimum.

Well, depending on how the size of your capsules compare to the DPA 4011, there is this:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/309855-REG/DPA_Microphones_DUA0075_DUA0075_XY_Windscreen_for.html



Booya, that sounds like what I'm talking about. And at $50, not too bad. Now just to make sure it fits....
Title: Re: Running Actives coincident with windscreens?
Post by: Kush on March 10, 2009, 11:34:04 AM
If your mics are too thin in diameter for the holes in that DPA X/Y windscreen you can always use a ring of electrical tape on the mics to build up their thickness.
Title: Re: Running Actives coincident with windscreens?
Post by: manitouman on March 10, 2009, 08:02:43 PM
Higher spacer.  Go get a 3/8" coupler & bolt from the hardware store.

Yes, that could work, but I want to keep vertical spacing between the caps to a minimum.

Well, depending on how the size of your capsules compare to the DPA 4011, there is this:
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/309855-REG/DPA_Microphones_DUA0075_DUA0075_XY_Windscreen_for.html



Booya, that sounds like what I'm talking about. And at $50, not too bad. Now just to make sure it fits....

19 mm diameter for the DPA 4011's
Title: Re: Running Actives coincident with windscreens?
Post by: wklitz on March 10, 2009, 11:00:49 PM
that Schoeps m/s windscreen is worthless.

I always thought mine did an alright job....what are you using for outdoors?
Title: Re: Running Actives coincident with windscreens?
Post by: Craig T on March 11, 2009, 10:01:42 AM
that Schoeps m/s windscreen is worthless.

I always thought mine did an alright job....what are you using for outdoors?

I borrowed one and used it exactly twice and both times had tons of wind noise.  I use a old LD windscreen I had lying around - the hole is big enough to fit both caps.  I'm still looking for a better solution.
Title: Re: Running Actives coincident with windscreens?
Post by: Brian Skalinder on March 11, 2009, 10:04:47 AM
Does the DPA Microphones DUA0075 XY Windscreen for 4011 allow one to change the included angle, or does it lock one into a fixed angle, like 90ยบ?
Title: Re: Running Actives coincident with windscreens?
Post by: digifish_music on March 15, 2009, 12:33:23 AM
Any advice? I can run coincident pretty much perfectly with my Vark bar, but even small windscreens seem to throw the set up off. Would be awesome if there was an X/Y windscreen kinda like the Schoeps M/S screen, with the holes for the caps at a 90* angle.

(http://www.posthorn.com/Images/Schoeps/S_wms.jpg)

You could try using the windscreen from an NT4...should be a fair amount of wriggle-room to change the angle.

(http://images.shopping.msn.co.uk/uk/img/5/14/17/18835489.jpg)

Should be about $USD 15 (http://www.frontendaudio.com/Rode_WS_4_Windscreen_for_NT4_p/9849.htm)

digifish


Title: Re: Running Actives coincident with windscreens?
Post by: Alexandru Petrescu on March 17, 2009, 04:34:19 PM
About WMS and the need for more wind protection...

Frustrated with the WMS foam on M/S CMBIs in even light wind, I just ordered 2 fur-style windscreens from thewindcutter.com; no experience with them as of yet, eagerly waiting.  They have 4 versions, variable hair length, presumably withstanding from low to high wind.  The WMS foam dimensions are diameter 72mm and length 60mm.  I bought a measuring tool only for this :-)

About other ways I've explored:

Unfortunately WMS foam is smaller than the smaller Schoeps baskets (smallest Schoeps basket I think is 150mm diameter IIRC), so third-party fur-style windscreens for Schoeps baskets (e.g. Rycote) wouldn't work on WMS, I suppose.

Schoeps was kind enough (thanks!) to offer advice about Schoeps and Rycote windscreens - all are baskets.  Unfortunately they'd make inaccessible the on/off/attenuate switches on the CMBIs - imagine removing the fur and open the basket only to turn a switch, not feasible for me.

I do think this basket advice is very pertinent for Actives (not CMBIs), which seems to be your case.

My current conclusion is that thewindcutter.com is the only strong wind solution for WMS on CMBI M/S... and I would love to learn about other possibilities, especially from Schoeps if they ever make one.

(not affiliated with thewindcutter.com, no particular interest).
Title: Re: Running Actives coincident with windscreens?
Post by: digifish_music on March 18, 2009, 04:12:18 AM
Any advice? I can run coincident pretty much perfectly with my Vark bar, but even small windscreens seem to throw the set up off. Would be awesome if there was an X/Y windscreen kinda like the Schoeps M/S screen, with the holes for the caps at a 90* angle.

(http://www.posthorn.com/Images/Schoeps/S_wms.jpg)

You could try using the windscreen from an NT4...should be a fair amount of wriggle-room to change the angle.

(http://images.shopping.msn.co.uk/uk/img/5/14/17/18835489.jpg)

Should be about $USD 15 (http://www.frontendaudio.com/Rode_WS_4_Windscreen_for_NT4_p/9849.htm)

digifish


BTW: The Dead Kitten (extra fuy cover) fits over the WS4 foam pop-shield.

(http://www.micsdirect.com/deadkit4.jpg)
Title: Re: Running Actives coincident with windscreens?
Post by: NOLAfishwater on May 10, 2009, 03:32:22 PM
that Schoeps m/s windscreen is worthless.

I used one with a dead rat over it and is seemed to work just fine.