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Title: Blind Side-by-side: CA-11's vs CA-14's
Post by: travelinbeat on April 19, 2009, 05:43:05 AM
I recorded my local high school's jazz band this evening and brought along some gear.  The performance took place in the corner of a gymnasium (see pictures).  I recorded three songs, swapping between the CA-11's and CA-14's at different points in the songs so that you can playback and compare what you hear.  The lineage is CA-11 / CA-14 > CA ST-9100 pre > R09-HR at 24bit/88.2kHz. 

A couple of notes:

I'll leave this thread open and mysterious for a few days, then post which is which.  Sorry for the huge file size, these are long jazz songs.  Download just one if you want, download all three for more exposure to the mics.  I also wanted to leave them 24bit, so that there would be more "room" for the mics to express themselves.

R09_0007.flac, 263.8MB: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GYS6KR2M
R09_0008.flac, 184.0MB: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4KIEDC6K
R09_0009.flac, 269.4MB: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=KTICS4G7



In R09_0007.flac:
Start - Mic A
3:28 - Switch to Mic B
11:12 - Switch to Mic A

In R09_0008.flac:
Start - Mic B
5:27 - Switch to Mic A

In R09_0009.flac
Start - Mic A
3:51 - Switch to Mic B
9:36 - Switch to Mic A

Title: Re: Blind Side-by-side: CA-11's vs CA-14's
Post by: Jonas Karlsson on April 19, 2009, 05:57:27 AM
Excellent!! Should be very interesting to hear...  ^-^

There's no doubt in my mind that mic A actually is the CA-14 and that mic B is the CA-11...
Title: Re: Blind Side-by-side: CA-11's vs CA-14's
Post by: litmus on April 21, 2009, 08:38:36 PM
travelinbeat: i don't have enough posts around here to have PM privileges, and rather than spam the forums with pointless comments i thought i'd just make one and ask if you'd be so kind as to get in touch with me re: your CA-11 mounting details. i just purchased a pair of CA-11 cards from chris and need a good mount (and stand if necessary, though i usually just use one of my vocal mic stands). thank you so much in advance.
Title: Re: Blind Side-by-side: CA-11's vs CA-14's
Post by: Dede2002 on April 22, 2009, 10:20:27 AM
Not a huge difference, but I like mic A.
Title: Re: Blind Side-by-side: CA-11's vs CA-14's
Post by: Church-Audio on April 22, 2009, 12:26:49 PM
Great test I would be interested in the results.

Chris
Title: Re: Blind Side-by-side: CA-11's vs CA-14's
Post by: travelinbeat on April 22, 2009, 02:45:44 PM
Just gave these another listen--

That really annoying noise is mostly the lights of the gym.  They're those crappy, noisy florescents or whatever

Also: OG edited to include details about which mic is which
Title: Re: Blind Side-by-side: CA-11's vs CA-14's
Post by: Roving Sign on April 23, 2009, 08:01:11 AM
travelinbeat: i don't have enough posts around here to have PM privileges, and rather than spam the forums with pointless comments i thought i'd just make one and ask if you'd be so kind as to get in touch with me re: your CA-11 mounting details. i just purchased a pair of CA-11 cards from chris and need a good mount (and stand if necessary, though i usually just use one of my vocal mic stands). thank you so much in advance.

"spam the forums with pointless comments"?

Dude - Finding info like your request above is the why this forum exists!

Goto the "Microphones And Setup" forum and make a post like: "Recommend a stand and mounts for CA-11s" - No sin in that!

If anything is "pointless," it's hoping you get the right info by making an off topic reply...
Title: Re: Blind Side-by-side: CA-11's vs CA-14's
Post by: litmus on April 23, 2009, 02:12:39 PM
travelinbeat: i don't have enough posts around here to have PM privileges, and rather than spam the forums with pointless comments i thought i'd just make one and ask if you'd be so kind as to get in touch with me re: your CA-11 mounting details. i just purchased a pair of CA-11 cards from chris and need a good mount (and stand if necessary, though i usually just use one of my vocal mic stands). thank you so much in advance.

"spam the forums with pointless comments"?

Dude - Finding info like your request above is the why this forum exists!

Goto the "Microphones And Setup" forum and make a post like: "Recommend a stand and mounts for CA-11s" - No sin in that!

If anything is "pointless," it's hoping you get the right info by making an off topic reply...

point taken. i just saw the first photo travelinbeat posted and thought "well, that would answer my question right there." but i'll do as you suggest and create a new topic. i have learned an amazing amount of info from this site already and really appreciate the willingness of so many experts to share their considerable knowledge. thanks for the kick in the ass.
Title: Re: Blind Side-by-side: CA-11's vs CA-14's
Post by: Dede2002 on April 23, 2009, 03:15:37 PM
travelinbeat: i don't have enough posts around here to have PM privileges, and rather than spam the forums with pointless comments i thought i'd just make one and ask if you'd be so kind as to get in touch with me re: your CA-11 mounting details. i just purchased a pair of CA-11 cards from chris and need a good mount (and stand if necessary, though i usually just use one of my vocal mic stands). thank you so much in advance.

"spam the forums with pointless comments"?

Dude - Finding info like your request above is the why this forum exists!

Goto the "Microphones And Setup" forum and make a post like: "Recommend a stand and mounts for CA-11s" - No sin in that!

If anything is "pointless," it's hoping you get the right info by making an off topic reply...

point taken. i just saw the first photo travelinbeat posted and thought "well, that would answer my question right there." but i'll do as you suggest and create a new topic. i have learned an amazing amount of info from this site already and really appreciate the willingness of so many experts to share their considerable knowledge. thanks for the kick in the ass.

Litmus,

Well, you haven't done or said anything wrong and do not deserve , in your words, "a kick in the ass" IMHO.
You're a newcomer, I think the veterans around here could show a little bit of patience and understanding. All TS threads shows one or more questions that could be considered off-topic, but make interesting points that could add to the original discussion. Plus, you sound like a gentle and polite person and deserve to be treated likewise.
Welcome to TS  ;)

Title: Re: Blind Side-by-side: CA-11's vs CA-14's
Post by: fmaderjr on April 23, 2009, 04:23:10 PM
Bravo Dede2002! I agree 100%.

Whoops, I guess this is a pointless off topic reply.
Title: Re: Blind Side-by-side: CA-11's vs CA-14's
Post by: Dede2002 on April 23, 2009, 04:57:53 PM
Bravo Dede2002! I agree 100%.

Whoops, I guess this is a pointless off topic reply.


 ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Blind Side-by-side: CA-11's vs CA-14's
Post by: Roving Sign on April 24, 2009, 07:12:55 AM
travelinbeat: i don't have enough posts around here to have PM privileges, and rather than spam the forums with pointless comments i thought i'd just make one and ask if you'd be so kind as to get in touch with me re: your CA-11 mounting details. i just purchased a pair of CA-11 cards from chris and need a good mount (and stand if necessary, though i usually just use one of my vocal mic stands). thank you so much in advance.

"spam the forums with pointless comments"?

Dude - Finding info like your request above is the why this forum exists!

Goto the "Microphones And Setup" forum and make a post like: "Recommend a stand and mounts for CA-11s" - No sin in that!

If anything is "pointless," it's hoping you get the right info by making an off topic reply...

point taken. i just saw the first photo travelinbeat posted and thought "well, that would answer my question right there." but i'll do as you suggest and create a new topic. i have learned an amazing amount of info from this site already and really appreciate the willingness of so many experts to share their considerable knowledge. thanks for the kick in the ass.

Litmus,

Well, you haven't done or said anything wrong and do not deserve , in your words, "a kick in the ass" IMHO.
You're a newcomer, I think the veterans around here could show a little bit of patience and understanding. All TS threads shows one or more questions that could be considered off-topic, but make interesting points that could add to the original discussion. Plus, you sound like a gentle and polite person and deserve to be treated likewise.
Welcome to TS  ;)



I said "Dude"! - not like called them douchenozzle or something...lighten up... ;)
Title: Re: Blind Side-by-side: CA-11's vs CA-14's
Post by: fmaderjr on April 24, 2009, 07:36:02 AM
Roving sign-I'm pretty sure I speak for Dede2002, as well as myself, that it wasn't the "Dude" we objected to-it was the insulting tone of your comments toward him.
Title: Re: Blind Side-by-side: CA-11's vs CA-14's
Post by: Dede2002 on April 24, 2009, 10:10:49 AM
Roving sign-I'm pretty sure I speak for Dede2002, as well as myself, that it wasn't the "Dude" we objected to-it was the insulting tone of your comments toward him.

Everything Fmaderjr said  ;).

But let's lighten up all right.  :coolguy:
Title: Re: Blind Side-by-side: CA-11's vs CA-14's
Post by: travelinbeat on April 24, 2009, 12:03:51 PM
travelinbeat: i don't have enough posts around here to have PM privileges, and rather than spam the forums with pointless comments i thought i'd just make one and ask if you'd be so kind as to get in touch with me re: your CA-11 mounting details. i just purchased a pair of CA-11 cards from chris and need a good mount (and stand if necessary, though i usually just use one of my vocal mic stands). thank you so much in advance.

The stand in the photo's is a Amvona Dynatran lighting stand (Model: AS-806A).  It extends to be just about ten feet tall.  The hardware on top can all be found at this website (http://www.micsupply.com/standaccessories.htm).  The items I have on the are: "Swivel T-bar," and "Stand fitting w/ 3/8>5/8 adapter".  Many people around here use "Bogen" brand stands.  If you're casually looking for one, just wait and keep an eye on the yardsale section, they pop up pretty often.

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Title: Re: Blind Side-by-side: CA-11's vs CA-14's
Post by: litmus on April 27, 2009, 07:43:33 PM
travelinbeat: i don't have enough posts around here to have PM privileges, and rather than spam the forums with pointless comments i thought i'd just make one and ask if you'd be so kind as to get in touch with me re: your CA-11 mounting details. i just purchased a pair of CA-11 cards from chris and need a good mount (and stand if necessary, though i usually just use one of my vocal mic stands). thank you so much in advance.

The stand in the photo's is a Amvona Dynatran lighting stand (Model: AS-806A).  It extends to be just about ten feet tall.  The hardware on top can all be found at this website (http://www.micsupply.com/standaccessories.htm).  The items I have on the are: "Swivel T-bar," and "Stand fitting w/ 3/8>5/8 adapter".  Many people around here use "Bogen" brand stands.  If you're casually looking for one, just wait and keep an eye on the yardsale section, they pop up pretty often.

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 :D  sorry about the inadvertent hijack. thanks for the info. i just got a dynatran AS-303 for about $35 inc. shipping on ebay. will check out micsupply.com for the top bits.

and thanks to all for the welcoming comments and infinite patience. long-time taper, first time caller. i think i've not hit five posts so future inquiries of a PM nature will be handled that way. thread officially relinquished back to its rightful owner.