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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: litmus on April 29, 2009, 08:11:58 PM
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first of all thanks to travelinbeat for providing me with the details of his CA-11 mounting setup in another thread. i've been doing a little research and trying to come up with the best (and ideally cheapest) setup for open recording. would love some opinions/thoughts/suggestions from the experts out there.
i do a lot of stealth recording, but open whenever permitted. for festivals i've usually cobbled some stuff together (standard vocal mic stand, whatever i could find as a horizontal 'stereo' bar, a lot of tape, etc.). i'll be hitting my 6th bonnaroo in june and finally decided to upgrade across the board (albeit on a budget). here's what i've got and then i'll provide some links to what i think might be a good way to complete the setup. goal is to have something flexible enough to run different configs as needed (though i'll probably mostly default to an OTRF setup).
what i have:
- CA-11 cards (w/clips)
- CA battery box
- R-09
- DynaTran AS-303 stand
what i'm thinking about to complete the stand setup:
- stand fitting with 5/8" adapter (http://www.micsupply.com/standaccessories.htm)
- K&M 23550 Adjustable Microphone Bar (http://bit.ly/EINmu)
- windtech SP-20 20mm microphone shockmounts (http://bit.ly/PpTTh)
that's about $50 total with shipping.
i'm sure there are simpler, better, and/or more flexible combinations of things (and maybe even cheaper) to get those tiny mics mounted, shock-protected and aimed in a variety of configs, but those items seemed to pair up to do what i need.
thoughts, advice, suggestions? thanks in advance.
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May be more than you want to spend, but this is nice:
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-GNA-3
You can purchase it with a shock mount. It'll bend into all sorts of configurations. The only issue is that if the clips are attached to the CA-11's, you may want to hack them off and just use detachable Shure clips.
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May be more than you want to spend, but this is nice:
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-GNA-3
You can purchase it with a shock mount. It'll bend into all sorts of configurations. The only issue is that if the clips are attached to the CA-11's, you may want to hack them off and just use detachable Shure clips.
I've got that T-bar without the shock mount and it's great, but I would suggest getting the shock mount. But like Belexes said, you can't use it if your mics have the clips.
Here's mine:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f97/JeremyLykins/100_1048b.jpg)
Or you could do what I'm doing now with my CA-14's. I've got a single shock mount and I have a 6" plastic ruler that I put in it that I clip the mics to.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f97/JeremyLykins/100_6909.jpg)
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my setup is VERY similar to yours (diff stand), but i really like using it...its incrediably versitile and easy to use/setup in a ton of different configs.
if you are going XY, use one mount, and clip them both to the same mount in the XY config. other than that, DIN, DINa, NOS, AB, etc etc is very easy for not alot of cash.
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I have a similar setup for my CA-11, but use tensimount mic holders.
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b374/vanark/RoseHillDrive2007-11-07/mics2007-11-07_01a.jpg)
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my setup is VERY similar to yours (diff stand), but i really like using it...its incrediably versitile and easy to use/setup in a ton of different configs.
if you are going XY, use one mount, and clip them both to the same mount in the XY config. other than that, DIN, DINa, NOS, AB, etc etc is very easy for not alot of cash.
heyitsmejess: when you talk about your setup being similar, were you referring to the proposed setup i laid out in the initial post or to JackDog's setup in the photos he posted? (btw, very nice shots. thanks for posting those)
thanks to all who have weighed in so far. i hadn't heard of the tensimounts, but that looks like it might be something that will grow with my equipment acquistions down the line. anybody else have experience with tansimounts for small mics like the CA-11s? i'll do some digging in the forums as well.
thanks to all who have replied...very helpful.
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similar to yours...i went very low budget getting into the game.
mic stand > stereo bar (have 2 now...one is 17cm, the other is adjustable) > 2-WT-SP20 mm mounts
simply clipped to the mounts, they have pretty good shock protection...sample of falling mic stand
http://www.archive.org/download/rumpkemboys2008-02-23/rumpkemb022308d1t14_vbr.mp3
appx 4:10 in the mic stand falls, and if it wernt for the guitarist mentioning it, you would never know.
i have no experience with the tensimounts, but im sure they work equally as well, if not better!
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I've been searching for a thread like this forever now. I've seen a lot of different set ups that seem to work great, thanks for the ideas. What type of mic stands do you guys have? I don't know anything about them. I just about bought one at a music store a few mins ago but it had the round plate as the base and didn't seem to go much higher than my head. Is that ok to use or should i try and find one with legs? Also are there different types of mic stands? Thanks for any help.
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i just use a boom-style mic stand....pretty basic. goes up to appx 15 feet with boom extended.
never had any problems out of it (unless someone hits it, natch)
alot of folks seem to enjoy using a light stand.
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What type of mic stands do you guys have? [...] I just about bought one at a music store a few mins ago but it had the round plate as the base and didn't seem to go much higher than my head.
I bought a light stand from my local camera store. If the ones with the round plate as the base went higher I'd use one of those for sure, but since they don't I use a light stand. Most tapers run their stands at at least 7 feet, sometimes higher, so keep that in mind when looking for a stand.
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What about the R-09? I'm would appreciate advice on where to mount or place the recorder when using a stand.
Also, I've heard of attaching the 6in plastic ruler to the end of the stand, taping a couple of playing cards on the ends of the ruler and clipping the CA-11's or CA-14's to the cards. Would the cards serve adequately as shock mounts until I can get the real thing?
Very nice thread, many thanks to all.
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May be more than you want to spend, but this is nice:
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-GNA-3
You can purchase it with a shock mount. It'll bend into all sorts of configurations. The only issue is that if the clips are attached to the CA-11's, you may want to hack them off and just use detachable Shure clips.
I have this one:
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-GNA-2
I just clip my CSB's to it when I feel like running them open. I have no idea what the clips on the Church mics look like...but, it might be an option.
--Michael
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May be more than you want to spend, but this is nice:
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-GNA-3
You can purchase it with a shock mount. It'll bend into all sorts of configurations. The only issue is that if the clips are attached to the CA-11's, you may want to hack them off and just use detachable Shure clips.
I have this one:
http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-GNA-2
I just clip my CSB's to it when I feel like running them open. I have no idea what the clips on the Church mics look like...but, it might be an option.
--Michael
Michael,
That's a cool looking T-mount that should work well for my Church CA-14's with clips. Do you use it without a shock mount? How does it connect to your mic stand?
Thanks,
Ernie
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What about the R-09? I'm would appreciate advice on where to mount or place the recorder when using a stand.
Also, I've heard of attaching the 6in plastic ruler to the end of the stand, taping a couple of playing cards on the ends of the ruler and clipping the CA-11's or CA-14's to the cards. Would the cards serve adequately as shock mounts until I can get the real thing?
I usually put my R-09 and preamp in a bag on the floor beneath my stand (unless there's a table nearby). I have to use an extension cable to do that, and they're somewhere around $20 or less.
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f97/JeremyLykins/100_1044b.jpg)
I use a 6" plastic ruler (I drilled a hole in the middle and secure it with a regular ol' nut), and you don't really need a shock mount unless your stand actually gets kicked or bumped. It doesn't happen very often to me, so you should probably be able to get away with not having one for a while (I did for several shows while I was looking for a shock mount).
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f97/JeremyLykins/100_5730b.jpg)
(the mics in this pic are the loaner CA-14's and they don't have clips, so I used gaffer's tape to tape 'em to the ruler)
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JackDog,
Thank you very much for the good info and pictures! What kind of stand are you using in the pictures?
Thanks,
Ernie
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side note on the ca-14s...
they fit just-oh-so-perfectly in the aformentioned windtech 20mm mounts.
now i need to break down and get me a pair of the omnis....by far my favorite mics i have used
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JackDog,
What kind of stand are you using in the pictures?
It's a Promaster SystemPro LS-2 that I bought from my local camera store. I had bought the rest of my rig off of the internet, so I decided to buy my stand there (it's kind of a big camera store) to support a local business.
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Michael,
That's a cool looking T-mount that should work well for my Church CA-14's with clips. Do you use it without a shock mount? How does it connect to your mic stand?
Thanks,
Ernie
I don't use it with a shock mount, and I've never noticed any issues. It has the standard threads on the bottom that most mic mounts use (size escapes me). I typically run it with my windtech clamp. Anyway, it looks just like Jackdog's...with "different ends".
--Michael
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Michael and JackDog I really appreciate your time and great advice. I ordered a Promaster SystemPro LS-2 light stand this morning (my local camera store didn't have any stands in stock). I may start out with a 6 in plastic ruler but sure like the looks of the T-mount Michael turned me on to: http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-GNA-2
Many thanks to everyone else in this great group as well.
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glad to see this thread has been useful to others. i have pretty much cobbled together my setup at this point (save for my adapter woes detailed in another thread). i'll post a picture of the final rigging once i get the replacement parts from B & H and the gear from chris. i think the only missing parts at this point are some tent stakes and bungy cords.
a sincere thanks to all who have shared their setups and tips here. has made pulling everything together so much easier and affordable. cheers!
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I ordered a Promaster SystemPro LS-2 light stand this morning (my local camera store didn't have any stands in stock). I may start out with a 6 in plastic ruler but sure like the looks of the T-mount Michael turned me on to: http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-GNA-2
Nobody's mentioned this yet, but you'll probably need to buy an adapter for your T-bar to fit onto your mic stand. You can probably find a single adapter to do the job, but for some reason I have two:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f97/JeremyLykins/TapingRig.jpg)
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i gotta say i just love it when people post pictures of their shit. thanks for sharing that collage, jackdog.
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I ordered a Promaster SystemPro LS-2 light stand this morning (my local camera store didn't have any stands in stock). I may start out with a 6 in plastic ruler but sure like the looks of the T-mount Michael turned me on to: http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-GNA-2
Nobody's mentioned this yet, but you'll probably need to buy an adapter for your T-bar to fit onto your mic stand. You can probably find a single adapter to do the job, but for some reason I have two:
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f97/JeremyLykins/TapingRig.jpg)
That's a great tip about the adapter for the T-bar, JackDog. I decided to order the T-bar for mics with clips http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-GNA-2 and was actually able to figure out that I needed an adapter to make it fit my light stand because Sound Professionals shows them on the same page where you order the T-bar: http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-TMA-1 Both are on the way to me, now. If Chris can get those new CA-14's to me soon, I'm really going to enjoy taping at the Wanee Festival! Thank you once again. Very nice collage, indeed!
Ernie
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Sorry if I missed it earlier in the thread, but will the CA-14 line (without the clips) fit into the mentioned SoundPro T-Bar? It looks like the CA-11 are a good fit, but the CA-14s already come with their own windscreens, right?
Sorry if I'm missing the boat here...
Cheers
~Heath ;D
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Sorry if I missed it earlier in the thread, but will the CA-14 line (without the clips) fit into the mentioned SoundPro T-Bar? It looks like the CA-11 are a good fit, but the CA-14s already come with their own windscreens, right?
Sorry if I'm missing the boat here...
Cheers
~Heath ;D
Heath,
The SoundPro T-Bar that I bought is only for mics with clips. There's a picture here: http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-GNA-2 I have CA-14s with the permanent clips and they fit that T-bar, but the clips just barely fit in the openings at the ends. I'm going to try to enlarge the opening a little bit.
The CA-14s are built into a permanent windscreen. Perhaps someone else can confirm whether they can be inserted into this SoundPro T-bar: http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-GNA-3
Heyitsmejess mentions above that the CA-14's fit into windtech 20mm mounts.
I'm not sure what mics and T-bar JackDog is using in his cool gear collage, but they look like the CA-14s.
Ernie