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Title: fr2-le two questions
Post by: dlh on May 08, 2010, 12:01:56 PM
Do any of the software updates allow true deletion of files?
Do the RCA monitor outs function during recording (thus allowing for a backup recording on another machine; I wish this recorder had a spdif out.)?

Thanks,
Dave
Title: Re: fr2-le two questions
Post by: page on May 08, 2010, 03:08:31 PM
Do any of the software updates allow true deletion of files?
Do the RCA monitor outs function during recording (thus allowing for a backup recording on another machine; I wish this recorder had a spdif out.)?

For #2, yes the RCAs function during recording. Don't turn the tiny output knob past about 12 though or it will distort the output.

I never tried to delete files so I don't remember if any of the updates do or not.
Title: Re: fr2-le two questions
Post by: willndmb on May 08, 2010, 03:32:39 PM
Do any of the software updates allow true deletion of files?
Do the RCA monitor outs function during recording (thus allowing for a backup recording on another machine; I wish this recorder had a spdif out.)?

For #2, yes the RCAs function during recording. Don't turn the tiny output knob past about 12 though or it will distort the output.

I never tried to delete files so I don't remember if any of the updates do or not.
i found the same thing
Title: Re: fr2-le two questions
Post by: Vurki on May 09, 2010, 12:06:46 PM
I have other question: HOW bad the headphone amp is? People say it's noisy but I'm wondering how noisy. Is it so bad that it's useless, or just a little annoying? I'm just wondering if I can examine my recordings with just FR2 and headphones while I'm travelling and I have no computer.

And that question about updates concerning deleting files is important too.
Title: Re: fr2-le two questions
Post by: willndmb on May 09, 2010, 02:26:22 PM
i never used the headphone jack itself
but i have used the rca outs which are on the same volume control as the headphones and i have not noticed any difference in my actual recordings to cf and ones done via rca out to my camcorder
now if the actual headphone jack has a different noise issue i am not sure

i'll try and record some files and delete them
i know you can delete/reformat the whole card without any problems, i just have not tried to delete one file out of 3 for example
Title: Re: fr2-le two questions
Post by: rastasean on May 09, 2010, 02:52:26 PM
I find it to be annoying but not bad enough to rule out this as a choice of a recorder. Once the gain and headphone volume are set good, I don't think it would be an issue. Plus you should remember it should sound better on the computer.
Title: Re: fr2-le two questions
Post by: page on May 09, 2010, 08:47:44 PM
I have other question: HOW bad the headphone amp is? People say it's noisy but I'm wondering how noisy. Is it so bad that it's useless, or just a little annoying? I'm just wondering if I can examine my recordings with just FR2 and headphones while I'm travelling and I have no computer.

How critical do you want to be with your recordings (as rastasean gets to). General gist, sure have at. But I wouldn't make any adjustments based on what you hear above about 8khz. There is an overpowering hiss that's present and I can't remember if there is a LF hum as well. I only used it sparingly to make sure I was getting audio and a general idea of what it sounded like. This was all on the FR2-LE unit, so maybe the original FR2's is better, dunno.
Title: Re: fr2-le two questions
Post by: setboy on May 09, 2010, 09:56:14 PM
I have other question: HOW bad the headphone amp is? People say it's noisy but I'm wondering how noisy. Is it so bad that it's useless, or just a little annoying? I'm just wondering if I can examine my recordings with just FR2 and headphones while I'm travelling and I have no computer.

And that question about updates concerning deleting files is important too.

you should be fine just as long as you don't turn it way up. Just take everything you hear with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: fr2-le two questions
Post by: John Willett on May 10, 2010, 09:15:22 AM
The headphone amp is fine as long as you use low impedance efficient headphones - I used HD 25-1 which ar 70-Ohms and 120dB efficient.

I think the non-deletion was deliberate as some cards could cause problems if you tried to delete some tracks.  Best to have several cards, mark which tracks you want, transfer them to PC (or Mac) and then re-format the card in the FR-2LE to delete everything.
Title: Re: fr2-le two questions
Post by: batchain on May 13, 2010, 01:57:29 PM
In addition regarding the delete capabilities. You can not delete via the FR2-LE and if you try to delete or edit a file on the card from the computer  it makes the card unreadable forcing a reformat of the card. So make sure you have moved your recording off the card to your computer for editing.
Title: Re: fr2-le two questions
Post by: John Willett on May 17, 2010, 10:41:11 AM
In addition regarding the delete capabilities. You can not delete via the FR2-LE and if you try to delete or edit a file on the card from the computer  it makes the card unreadable forcing a reformat of the card. So make sure you have moved your recording off the card to your computer for editing.

Basically, the best way to delete is to copy all the files to the PC and then re-format the card in the FR-2LE.

This deletes all the files and makes it a blank formatted card again.
Title: Re: fr2-le two questions
Post by: fmaderjr on May 18, 2010, 05:30:18 AM
There is an overpowering hiss that's present and I can't remember if there is a LF hum as well.

In other words the headphone amp sucks, despite the excuses some are making for it.

Wish I had never bought mine. There is a lot more I hate about it (inconvenient battery system, disappointing gain, can't delete single files). Would much rather have an R-09HR or Sony M10 w/mini mics for stealth and add a MixPre , MP2, or littlebox for open when I want to use phantom powered mics.
Title: Re: fr2-le two questions
Post by: willndmb on May 18, 2010, 09:28:55 AM
battery???
you can use rc or aa how much more do you want

if you go the m10 i would get a lb to power your stealth mics correct and at the same time give you 48v power
Title: Re: fr2-le two questions
Post by: setboy on May 18, 2010, 11:03:49 AM
battery???
you can use rc or aa how much more do you want

yeah, i don't get that one either.
Title: Re: fr2-le two questions
Post by: fmaderjr on May 18, 2010, 02:13:27 PM
battery???
you can use rc or aa how much more do you want

yeah, i don't get that one either.

I had bad luck with tamiyas (one went bad in a brief time).
 
You can use 4 AA's but they don't last too long and you still have to deal with the pain in the ass battery sled and the cable that is hard to keep from being pinched under it. I'd rather have a machine where you just drop in AA's.

If you leave the battery sled in the machine the batteries go dead within 2 weeks.
Title: Re: fr2-le two questions
Post by: Will_S on May 18, 2010, 02:16:44 PM
I don't get the "disappointing gain" comment either, especially from someone who moved on to a Littlebox which as nice as it is, doesn't offer a ton of gain either.  Earlier fmaderjr said something about having a mod done that was problematic, perhaps even after it was "fixed" there was still something not right in the modded gain structure.  All I know is I've taped some quiet shows with a stock unit and had no issues getting adequate levels or clean recordings.
Title: Re: fr2-le two questions
Post by: setboy on May 18, 2010, 02:23:26 PM
When i first got it i wanted the gain i had on my ad20, but now don't mind it at all.
Title: Re: fr2-le two questions
Post by: fmaderjr on May 18, 2010, 02:29:57 PM
I don't get the "disappointing gain" comment either, especially from someone who moved on to a Littlebox which as nice as it is, doesn't offer a ton of gain either.  Earlier fmaderjr said something about having a mod done that was problematic, perhaps even after it was "fixed" there was still something not right in the modded gain structure.  All I know is I've taped some quiet shows with a stock unit and had no issues getting adequate levels or clean recordings.

You may be right that my machine might never have worked properly.

I bought it wanting a 1 box system and expecting plenty of gain and didn't seem to get it. With the littlebox, I knew the gain limitations and thought it was still worth the price. For most of what I record I can get enough gain from the littlebox with the recorder at unity. If not, I can add some gain from the recorder.

I admit I'm a hater of this machine. Nothing but bad experiences with it. Nothing both good experiences with the R-09HR & Sony M10, either alone for stealth or combined with littlebox or MixPre for phantom powered mics. 

I'm not that hard to please. Also hated my Zoom H2 that I bought before finding this board, but satisfied with most all my other purchases.