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Title: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: brewcrew87 on July 21, 2011, 04:06:03 PM
at nelson ledges quarry park, for john mullins band and ekoostik hookah. I am running Berliner CM33>Nady DMP2>Microtrack

i am wondering where might the sweet spot be or how to figure that out- both bands are open taping so its not stealth
Title: Re: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: Gordon on July 21, 2011, 04:11:59 PM
looks like both are on the archive so it should be open.  sweet spot is generally 30-40 feet dfc from the stage at an outdoor venue.  really depends on where the stacks are set up.  there may be an OTS which would likely be further back by the soundboard.
Title: Re: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: eman on July 21, 2011, 06:10:15 PM
Use your ears to find the sweet spot. Walk around for awhile, be like Brigham Young.
Title: Re: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: page on July 22, 2011, 10:36:09 AM
at nelson ledges quarry park, for john mullins band and ekoostik hookah. I am running Berliner CM33>Nady DMP2>Microtrack

i am wondering where might the sweet spot be or how to figure that out- both bands are open taping so its not stealth

To (generically) figure it out, look for equal distance between the stacks (centered), and walk back till you get a little under 60 degrees total between them or 30 between each stack and the center.

To actually figure it out, start at the above point and wander around a bit, most likely backward 5-20 feet. I find that sometimes the best spot is after the sound gels a bit, othertimes it's where it's mathmatically predictable.

All this basically goes out the window if there is a specific spot that is designated as the taping section (that the venue or band wants you in).

Use your ears to find the sweet spot. Walk around for awhile, be like Brigham Young.

There's a whole series of jokes that one could do with that.  ;D
Title: Re: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: gratefulphish on September 12, 2011, 11:30:35 PM
As already noted, start by assuming that it is DFC, and in an equilateral triangle with the speaker stacks.  But, that has to be qualified by actually looking at the positioning of the stacks: are they tilted downward, in toward the center, arrayed in several directions.  If there is house music playing when you get there, then do the walk around as suggested.  In general, where you can hear things sound best, so will your mics, particularly if you can fly them above head level.
Title: Re: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: F.O.Bean on September 14, 2011, 05:43:27 PM
And stake your stand into the ground for extra protection. BUT, at the Ledges, its just sand on top of cement, and you cant stake your stand anywhere DFC :( So I just sit behind my stand FOB/DFC and keep it from getting hit and just deal with it so I pull a smokin AUD :)
Title: Re: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: jbell on September 14, 2011, 11:45:42 PM
Tape it down!

And stake your stand into the ground for extra protection. BUT, at the Ledges, its just sand on top of cement, and you cant stake your stand anywhere DFC :( So I just sit behind my stand FOB/DFC and keep it from getting hit and just deal with it so I pull a smokin AUD :)
Title: Re: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: cyfan on September 15, 2011, 01:29:28 PM
Also, the wind will be worse than you think. Always seems to be that way for me.
That little breeze whistling past your ear will sound like a freight train on your recording.
Title: Re: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: page on September 15, 2011, 01:57:40 PM
And stake your stand into the ground for extra protection. BUT, at the Ledges, its just sand on top of cement, and you cant stake your stand anywhere DFC :( So I just sit behind my stand FOB/DFC and keep it from getting hit and just deal with it so I pull a smokin AUD :)

Tape it down!


Tape it down on what? It's sand on top of cement.
Title: Re: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: Gutbucket on September 15, 2011, 02:57:00 PM
And stake your stand into the ground for extra protection. BUT, at the Ledges, its just sand on top of cement, and you cant stake your stand anywhere DFC :( So I just sit behind my stand FOB/DFC and keep it from getting hit and just deal with it so I pull a smokin AUD :)

Tape it down!

Tape it down on what? It's sand on top of cement.

I think that expression would make good taper lingo synonymous with, "pull a smokn' tape!"

Music fan walking by before show- "Tape it down, d00d!"
TS member- "Word, brah!"
Title: Re: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: SmokinJoe on September 15, 2011, 04:03:22 PM
And stake your stand into the ground for extra protection. BUT, at the Ledges, its just sand on top of cement, and you cant stake your stand anywhere DFC :( So I just sit behind my stand FOB/DFC and keep it from getting hit and just deal with it so I pull a smokin AUD :)

Tape it down!


Tape it down on what? It's sand on top of cement.

I don't know about this particular place, but sometimes you can walk around the edges of the field, find some rocks, ideally about the size of a loaf of bread.  Put those at the base of your stand, on the little braces that go from the legs to the center
Title: Re: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: stevetoney on September 15, 2011, 04:04:47 PM
Tapers often forget that our taper acronyms aren't intuitive to newbs...DFC = Dead Fucking Center.
Title: Re: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: jbell on September 15, 2011, 04:15:49 PM
Didn't see that sand part my bad!!  If you look in REI or an outdoor store they have sand and snow anchors that would help wieght down your stand in sandy areas.  Wouldn't be as secure as regular stakes, but might do the trick.

http://www.rei.com/product/725165/rei-snow-and-sand-tent-anchors

And stake your stand into the ground for extra protection. BUT, at the Ledges, its just sand on top of cement, and you cant stake your stand anywhere DFC :( So I just sit behind my stand FOB/DFC and keep it from getting hit and just deal with it so I pull a smokin AUD :)

Tape it down!


Tape it down on what? It's sand on top of cement.
Title: Re: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: bryonsos on September 15, 2011, 04:19:13 PM
If there's sand all over the place, why not just take a few ziplock freezer bags with you, fill 'em with sand and use them to weigh down the legs?
Title: Re: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: Fried Chicken Boy on September 15, 2011, 05:08:25 PM
I don't know about this particular place, but sometimes you can walk around the edges of the field, find some rocks, ideally about the size of a loaf of bread.  Put those at the base of your stand, on the little braces that go from the legs to the center

You can also use the bread-loaf-sized rocks to take out those pesky beach balls (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=148788.0) that venture a little too close to your rig. ;)
Title: Re: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: Gutbucket on September 15, 2011, 06:10:40 PM
If there's sand all over the place, why not just take a few ziplock freezer bags with you, fill 'em with sand and use them to weigh down the legs?

I've done this and it works well.  Easy to carry the bags and they always come in handy for something anyway.

Once the stand is secure and just before the vibes start pushing air, roll tape digits and 'TAPE IT ON DOWN, MAN!'

Next run of TS shirts, I vote for TAPE IT DOWN on the back.
Afterall, we should never let 'em forget: All your tapes are belong to us!
Title: Re: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: NSL on September 15, 2011, 08:31:51 PM
Ran my berliners last night!  You'll definitely need thicker windscreens than the ones that came with it (assuming you got yours new)
Title: Re: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: page on September 15, 2011, 11:01:46 PM
Next run of TS shirts, I vote for TAPE IT DOWN on the back.

fair enough.

Alternative vote (in black/yellow letters):
"WARNING:
 600 Ohms (http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=148868.msg1902549#msg1902549)"
Title: Re: Taping outdoors for first time- advice needed
Post by: Gutbucket on September 16, 2011, 01:09:59 AM
much better!

with an 'electrified' silloette caution guy wearing full sized cans.