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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: Mike D (VT) on November 02, 2011, 09:10:14 AM
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I've had my Fostex for years/ love it/ no problems. I have used this 8gb SanDisk Extreme many times before, and had just dump the old files.
So I was recording (YMSB- if you're curious) both sets on this same card @ 24/96. I was occasionally checking levels, but didn't touch anything once I hit record. It seemed like a fine pull.
I transferred the files using a SanDisk card reader. Once it was on my computer, I realized at almost exactly the 1 hour mark, some clicking started. It came on very quickly, and soon overtook the levels and redlined the rest of the set (the music was there, just under the noise). I thought it might have been a fluke; but it did the exact same thing at the exact same mark for the second set. Very frustrating!
I haven't had a chance to do any tests with it yet- but I wanted to offer this up to see if anyone had experienced this.
Seems like it could be a setting? I welcome all/ any thoughts ideas. Thanks ~
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I'll take a stab and say it's unit specific. I did some 24/96 and 24/88 recordings and the only noteworthy info I found was that it didn't start a new file when the current one was full.
Can you replicate it at home at a different resolution (or even again at 26/96)
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24/96 at about 57 minutes you are at the 2 GB file size.....maybe check and reformat to 4GB.
Record at 24/44.1 instead.
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imo these guys are on the right track
the fr2le doesn't record over 2gb file sizes and does not start a new track - at 24/96 you are hitting that time where you have issues (approx 1.01 hrs/minutes according to SD)
dropping to 24/48 will give you approx 4 hrs (4.05) of record time via 2gb mark
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My FR2LE will do 4GB file size. Firmware version 1.20.
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that would make sense if the issue was he didn't have anything after that, but this is the recording keeps going with noise imprinted on the recording.
Since he didn't say it stopped/died, I'm assuming that he has it set to 4gb files, I remember using that when I had one. The question is really, why does it have noise starting at about the 2gb mark.
additional questions for the op:
1) have you ever done 24/96 recording successfully before with this fostex?
2) if yes to 1, have you done it with this card before?
3) what are the results when you test it again?
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Hmmm, sounds like a bad card to me :(
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that would make sense if the issue was he didn't have anything after that, but this is the recording keeps going with noise imprinted on the recording.
Since he didn't say it stopped/died, I'm assuming that he has it set to 4gb files, I remember using that when I had one. The question is really, why does it have noise starting at about the 2gb mark.
additional questions for the op:
1) have you ever done 24/96 recording successfully before with this fostex?
2) if yes to 1, have you done it with this card before?
3) what are the results when you test it again?
has anyone taken the fr2le to the file limit? does it actually stop recording?
the reason i asks is...
i had my batteries die on my littlebox once, you could still hear music in the recording after the pre shut down
so if the noise has to do with the fr2le "stopping" it could still be recording but not supplying power or some other issue that caused the noise
def interested in the answers to the questions
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Thanks for all the ideas. I checked my deck format first- my deck was set for a 4gb card (I was running an 8gb card) @ 24/96 which should have me covered for 3h 51m 19s. The problem (I believe) was that it was not recognizing my card properly. Is it possible to use an 8gb and (re)program it as a 4gb? or could the card be corrupt? Not sure how to get it to recognize the 8gb. I tried dialing it down to 16/48, but it still recognizes the card as 4gb. I used this same 8gb card over the summer without issue.
When I have some more time I will run a test over the 1hr mark (on a different setting) and see if anything changes.
I'll update when I do ~ thanks again for the input.
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Thanks for all the ideas. I checked my deck format first- my deck was set for a 4gb card (I was running an 8gb card) @ 24/96 which should have me covered for 3h 51m 19s. The problem (I believe) was that it was not recognizing my card properly. Is it possible to use an 8gb and (re)program it as a 4gb? or could the card be corrupt? Not sure how to get it to recognize the 8gb. I tried dialing it down to 16/48, but it still recognizes the card as 4gb. I used this same 8gb card over the summer without issue.
When I have some more time I will run a test over the 1hr mark (on a different setting) and see if anything changes.
I'll update when I do ~ thanks again for the input.
are you formatting thew card in the fr2le?
the fr2le will only allow for one setting, in this case 24/96 to be recorded
maybe you formatted it in a different device and/or for a different setting
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Yes.... you need to format the card in the deck for the sample rate/bit depth you are using... It cannot be changed thru the settings in the deck after the card is formatted.
Yes ?
RTFM
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has anyone taken the fr2le to the file limit? does it actually stop recording?
I have, and yes, mine just stopped. No gapless file creation, no file with a gap, just no new file. >:(
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so, yes, I have used this card in 24/96 before.
and I always format the card in the Fostex itself.
I am switching to a 4gb card and changing settings, then going back to the 8gb card to see how/ if things change...
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I'll vote for it sounds like a card error.
It's odd that you have used the same card and not had issues.
I've run a 32 Gb card in the FR2LE at 24/96 without issues. You will always encounter the 4 GB limit issue but it should be fine until then.
once you test it with a 4 GB card, it should let you know whether it is the card or the unit but it definitely sounds more like a card issue.
the only other thing I would make sure is whether your battery life is ok after the hour. I doubt this is the issue but worth making sure.
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bvaz - when you use a 32g card, does your deck recognize it as such?
Mine gives me th option of 2g or 4g in the formatting screen, but that's it. I can not remember if when I last used the 8g card if it gave the option or recognized it as an 8g.
It does however, allow for the file size of the 8g. I put it a 4g and tried some different settings, then put the 8g, and tried the same settings again. They all came up as twice the recording length. So it does recognize and alot the proper record time for the 8g card.
This weekend I'll try multiple takes of over 1hr. and report back.
Oh, and to answer a question- When I was recording originally, I was using batteries, and there was plenty of battery life left when I shut it down.
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bvaz - when you use a 32g card, does your deck recognize it as such?
Mine gives me th option of 2g or 4g in the formatting screen, but that's it. I can not remember if when I last used the 8g card if it gave the option or recognized it as an 8g.
It does however, allow for the file size of the 8g. I put it a 4g and tried some different settings, then put the 8g, and tried the same settings again. They all came up as twice the recording length. So it does recognize and alot the proper record time for the 8g card.
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mine had a 16gb card, in stand by it showed the record time left as ___ based on the settings
you shouldn't see the 8gb in the menu because recording an 8gb file isn't an option
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right, I just put in the 32 GB card and format it. it doesn't give me the option of 2 GB or 4 GB when i am formatting.
I can still only record to a 4 GB file size. if I'm running 24/96 and I hot record on a freshly formatted card, it gives me just under 16 hours of remaining time on the card but still only roughly 2 hours of record time before it will stop.
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bvaz - when you use a 32g card, does your deck recognize it as such?
Mine gives me th option of 2g or 4g in the formatting screen, but that's it. I can not remember if when I last used the 8g card if it gave the option or recognized it as an 8g.
It does however, allow for the file size of the 8g. I put it a 4g and tried some different settings, then put the 8g, and tried the same settings again. They all came up as twice the recording length. So it does recognize and alot the proper record time for the 8g card.
This weekend I'll try multiple takes of over 1hr. and report back.
Oh, and to answer a question- When I was recording originally, I was using batteries, and there was plenty of battery life left when I shut it down.
Lets be clear on this. The 2GB and 4GB setting in the menu is for the max file size while recording, meaning if you format for 4GB, any one file size can be no larger than 4GB. Has nothing to do with the card size.
You cannot format a card at 96/24 and then change the setting in the menu without reformating the card.
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George2- Thanks for making that clear.
I tried recording in the same format, with the same card, just to see if it was a fluke. It was not- same bad results at 1:01.
Next I dialed it down to 24/48 w/ the same 8gb card- the recording went to 2:04, then the same digital clicking came on. I noted, though, it was not visible on the led levels.
Hoping it was just the card; I tried a 4gb card at 24/48. It recorded up to 2:04- then the noise.
I'm currently trying a recording with the 8gb card in 16bit.
Kinda bummed out; thinking it might be an issue for Oade bros.
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we know its not that card if it does it on 2 different ones
i still think its hitting the 2gb file mark and "stopping"
but page says it should stop totally, for some reason i think yours isn't
24/96 will hit 2gb mark at 1.01
24/48 will hit 2gb at 2:04
somewhere there is a chart from sound devices (here it is - http://www.sounddevices.com/calculator/ )
now if i am correct at 16/48 you will get the noise around 3:05 and 16/44 around 3:22
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we know its not that card if it does it on 2 different ones
i still think its hitting the 2gb file mark and "stopping"
but page says it should stop totally, for some reason i think yours isn't
24/96 will hit 2gb mark at 1.01
24/48 will hit 2gb at 2:04
somewhere there is a chart from sound devices (here it is - http://www.sounddevices.com/calculator/ )
while true, if he's using the 4gb wav file setting (and I think he is), then it's still a mystery. I haven't touched one in a couple years now so I'm working off of memory.
I remember doing a 24/88.2 recording once of a Radiators show and instead of 2 sets, they did just one and I got to the 2 hour mark and chopped part of the encore break cause I was set to run over. That big file was just shy of the 4gb mark.
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Next I dialed it down to 24/48 w/ the same 8gb card-
This is confusing to me. Could you use the term "I reformatted the same 8GB to 24/48"
Otherwise it appears you are just changing the settings in the menu.
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You can change recording setting if you change the setting in the BWFF file Fostex created at the formating.
You can do that with a computer and a card reader
<ADL>
<VERSION>
</VERSION>
<PROJECT>
(PROJ_TITLE) "20110625"
(PROJ_ORIGNATOR) "FOSTEX CO."
(PROJ_CREATE_DATE) 2011-06-25
(PROJ_NOTE) " "
(PROJ_CLIENT_DATA) " "
</PROJECT>
<SYSTEM>
(SYS_BIT_DEPTH) 24
(SYS_AUD_CODEC) "BWF"
</SYSTEM>
<SEQUENCE>
(SEQ_DESCRIPT) "RESUME OFF"
(SEQ_SAMPLE_RATE) S48000
(SEQ_FRAME_RATE) 25
(SEQ_ADL_LEVEL) 1
(SEQ_CLEAN) TRUE
(SEQ_DEST_START) 00.00.00.00/0000
</SEQUENCE>
<EVENT_LIST>
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I got my Fr-2le back from repair 2 months ago, the problem was after about 1 hour of recording my levels would jump up on there own.
After 2 weeks of testing it they found it was a bad ribbon cable.
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The 2gb / 4gb choice is of file size limit, not card formatting.
I am not certain why anyone would not stop / start a recording once in a while.
The odds for file integrity go way up.
We used to flip tapes every 40 minutes or so...
Just a few random thoughts at 2 am.... ;D
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I haven't had much time in the past week or two to do any testing that gives different results.
Kozakz- I tried to use the card reader to reformat and or change settings. After doing that and putting the card back into the deck, turns out the deck didn't like how the card was setup, and reformatting the card in the deck was the first prompt.
Doingthatrag- Do you remember what the settings were at when the issue came up? This is very important, because it could (if you read the whole thread) be the same issue I am experiencing (which is driving me crazy!). Did you send your deck to Fostex, Oade Bros, or a third party?
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I sent it to Oade. I always run 24/96 with 4 gig file limit. He said the more expensive fostex units are known for bad ribbon cables, oade said my fr-2le was the first one he seen with a bad ribbon cable.
He really did fix it, I use this unit more than my 722 (several times a month) cause it just sounds better all around thanks to oade's upgrade.
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Awesome! That's got to be it!
I had my deck upgraded from Oade as well. I will get in touch w/ Doug directly.
Thanks so much! ~ Mike D
ps- thanks to all for the input and trouble shooting ideas.
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Hey Mike for some strange reason I can not send you a PM. My name is Rob Krall and I think I paid 110.00 for the repair including shipping. I am no spring chicken and a couple of months ago can mean a lifetime to my memory.
Dont forget to tell Doug how much he rocks too !!
Peace.
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Thanks for the info, Rob. I'll def. pass along the sentiments to Mr. Oade.