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Title: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: cybergaloot on December 28, 2011, 08:21:06 PM
For dropped ceilings: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/32244-REG/Lowel_CM_20_CM_20_Scissor_Mount_for.html

For wood beams, etc: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/32218-REG/Lowel_LSS_Screw_In_Stud_Pack.html

I don't work B&H or Lowell, I just spied these things and thought they looked handy.
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: page on December 28, 2011, 09:10:20 PM
When I did a lot of backwoods stuff (climbing, hiking, etc), I really adopted the leave no trace ethos, so the wooden beam screw sort of scares me. I guess one could get permission first and do a permanent installation, but a c-clamp would work as well (assuming the beam isn't massive).

That drop ceiling stud is sexy though.  ;)
+T
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: cybergaloot on December 28, 2011, 09:33:12 PM
I know what you mean about the screw mount. I had a local place with rough wooden beams in mind when I said that, an old warehouse. Obviously you'd want to ask permission first.
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: rastasean on December 28, 2011, 11:09:13 PM
http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=95166.msg1268010#msg1268010
totally eco friendly and portable.
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: cybergaloot on December 31, 2011, 02:38:38 PM
Two clubs here have exposed beams that are too high to reach without a ladder. I've often mulled over the idea of making a clamp that would grab the beam but could be operated with some sort of pole, like maybe some square aluminium tubing. I never got much further than that. The problem is that one club has thick rough lumber beams (an old warehouse) and the other has thinner metal rafters so making a clamp that would work well on both is a consideration. Another consideration is that I usually get a board patch at both clubs. The sweet spot in both clubs is right over the mayhem of the "dancers" (is that what that is?).
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: Gutbucket on December 31, 2011, 04:36:12 PM
How about a telescopic pole with a deep hook on one end you could adjust to length and hook over either rafter.  Never seem to see them anymore but the image of rescue poles at old public pools comes to mind- you know, the big hook on the end of a pool pole, like those used for nets and vacuumes.  A variation on that, with a different hook.
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: F.O.Bean on January 01, 2012, 06:51:52 PM
Also, Rowi makes the Rowi 76 that has a wood screw in it so you can attach the screw to a wooden beam, and then clamp to that stud :) Works great in a bar I used to record in :)
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: cybergaloot on January 01, 2012, 08:34:23 PM
That's what started this thread. I spied a couple of interesting mounts made by Lowell, one that has a wood screw.
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: ArchivalAudio on January 02, 2012, 09:32:10 PM
I do like the Lowel Screw-In Stud - Pack of 2  - for some semi permanat clamp space, with venue permission of course.
It could come in very handy...
thanx for the heads up

--Ian
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: Gutbucket on January 02, 2012, 10:17:37 PM
So I've wondered but never really looked into the standardness and hookto-ery of these types of studs.  First of all, what is it called?  I just think of it as a light-stand stud.  Usually brass with a threaded portion at the end of a few sizes, sometimes steel without the thereaded end, but I'm wondering specifically about the unthreaded but collared cylindrical shaft which always seems a standard size.  It's at all the airborne end of the light-stands repurposed as mic stands, some extensions and clamps- all photographic lighting-gear.  Secondly- what are the ways of hooking to it.  All the stuff I have that attaches to that stud has a socket and set screw knob: superclamp knockoffs, telecopic extension pole, folding foot.  Is there any other connection besides that, like a quick-disconnect or something?
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: Hypnocracy on January 02, 2012, 10:58:46 PM
Is there any other connection besides that, like a quick-disconnect or something?
Years ago I purchased a Manfrotto Triple Microphone bar...when ever I've been confronted by the stud you speak of I just use the middle bit and leave behind the bar and the other two microphone mounts...because there is a 3/8 thread on the top of Manfrotto studs that a 3/8 to 5/8 barrel adapter works great with

(http://www.dcaudiovisuel.com/images/manfrotto/manfrotto_154_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: Gutbucket on January 02, 2012, 11:21:54 PM
Yeah, all of my DIY stuff and mic-clips/shocks with 5/8" adapters connect using 3/8" thread.  The lightstand gear clamps with the tumbscrew onto the stud portion, like in your photo.. but is there some sort of spring-loaded quick-connector that latches or clips onto that stud, instead of tightening the tumbscrew to secure the stud in a socket?  Just seems like there should be.
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: cybergaloot on January 03, 2012, 12:30:31 PM
I've never seen a spring loaded quick connect for this sort of stud. No reason why they couldn't come up with one but the thumb screw keeps it from revolving, a spring type connection might "weathervane" on the mount. It would be nice if there was a proper name like a "Murphy mount" or something.

BTW, I found some on eBay like this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/220683723317?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 but the top boss was removable revealing a 1/4 X 20 threaded screw. They were dirt cheap (Chinese of course) but well made.

And on a different subject, I bought one of these carts: http://www.ebay.com/itm/180712109206?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
It sucks as a chair but is great as a cart and will roll through that soft sand at the Spirit of the Suwanee.
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: cybergaloot on January 03, 2012, 12:31:42 PM

Years ago I purchased a Manfrotto Triple Microphone bar...when ever I've been confronted by the stud you speak of I just use the middle bit and leave behind the bar and the other two microphone mounts...because there is a 3/8 thread on the top of Manfrotto studs that a 3/8 to 5/8 barrel adapter works great with

(http://www.dcaudiovisuel.com/images/manfrotto/manfrotto_154_1.jpg)

I bought one of these for running split omnis and it works great.
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: acidjack on January 03, 2012, 12:44:12 PM
^^ That it does.  Big bastard but gets the job done. 
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: ScoobieKW on January 03, 2012, 03:09:46 PM
I use the Manfrotto Rapid adaptor, leaving it attached to my stereo bar.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/546494-REG/Manfrotto_014_14_014_14_Rapid_Adapter.html (http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/546494-REG/Manfrotto_014_14_014_14_Rapid_Adapter.html)

it let's me use my 099b extension horizontally or vertically. Leaving it attached to the stereo bar (gaffed so the bar won't spin) makes deployment simple.
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: cybergaloot on January 03, 2012, 03:41:42 PM
I have a bunch of those adapters and could use even more. I need a couple more to finish my Blumlein bar for my ADK-tl's.
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: SmokinJoe on January 03, 2012, 04:55:22 PM
For hooking over an overhead beam, look at my hook I made http://taperssection.com/index.php?topic=135654.msg1768436#msg1768436
If I can't reach it, I use the "piece of lawnmower handle" to lift it a bit higher.
I've used it in the particular club I built it for a lot.  I haven't tried it in many other places.  But I thought I should make a few different hooks, for various widths beams.

I like that suspended ceiling thing!  I might buy a set.  I was going to take a little handspring clamp (metal clothespins), and bend the lips so they bite onto on the ceiling hanger... I think I'd trust my homemade one for AT853's, but not for ADK-TL's.  ;D
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: cybergaloot on January 03, 2012, 05:01:12 PM
I like that! I've thought of making some large 's' hooks to hold the mic cable up so that I can run it over nearer the soundboard so I can get a patch as well.
Title: Re: Things that may help in placing mics
Post by: Gutbucket on January 03, 2012, 05:03:58 PM
Hah, I didn't remember Joe's thread when I suggested a hook here earlier, but it obviously planted the seed in my head.