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Title: What makes a Sony Pcm m10 cost $300 versus an Olympus Ls-7 ?
Post by: waloshin on March 15, 2012, 02:13:31 PM
I do own a PCM m10 ,but I was curious what makes it better than a cheaper recorder like th Ls-7 to justify the cost?
Title: Re: What makes a Sony Pcm m10 cost $300 versus an Olympus Ls-7 ?
Post by: Drgiggles1 on March 15, 2012, 10:57:38 PM
@ B & H for $229 and free shipping available in red, white, or black http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=sony+pcmm10&N=0&InitialSearch=yes
Title: Re: What makes a Sony Pcm m10 cost $300 versus an Olympus Ls-7 ?
Post by: ScoobieKW on March 15, 2012, 11:29:28 PM
@ B & H for $229 and free shipping available in red, white, or black http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=sony+pcmm10&N=0&InitialSearch=yes

We love the M10 for a few reasons. One it's preamps are very nice. Two, the battery life is amazing with 15 hours on two AAs. Three, it's built solid. Haven't used the Olympus, but those are the things you will hear time and time again from us M10 owners.
Title: Re: What makes a Sony Pcm m10 cost $300 versus an Olympus Ls-7 ?
Post by: bryonsos on March 16, 2012, 02:24:09 AM
@ B & H for $229 and free shipping available in red, white, or black http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=sony+pcmm10&N=0&InitialSearch=yes

We love the M10 for a few reasons. One it's preamps are very nice. Two, the battery life is amazing with 15 hours on two AAs. Three, it's built solid. Haven't used the Olympus, but those are the things you will hear time and time again from us M10 owners.

You gave up too early! I've gone well over 50 hrs on a set of lithiums more than once. No PIP, line in, but whoa on battery life!
Title: Re: What makes a Sony Pcm m10 cost $300 versus an Olympus Ls-7 ?
Post by: TimeBandit on March 16, 2012, 03:29:41 AM
built quality
internal circuits
internal preamps
quality of the housing
"Its a Sony"  ::)

But now the official price dropped to around 250 Dollars, here in the EU 230 Euros, you´ll better deal with that ;)
Title: Re: What makes a Sony Pcm m10 cost $300 versus an Olympus Ls-7 ?
Post by: ScoobieKW on March 16, 2012, 03:37:54 AM
@ B & H for $229 and free shipping available in red, white, or black http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=sony+pcmm10&N=0&InitialSearch=yes

We love the M10 for a few reasons. One it's preamps are very nice. Two, the battery life is amazing with 15 hours on two AAs. Three, it's built solid. Haven't used the Olympus, but those are the things you will hear time and time again from us M10 owners.

You gave up too early! I've gone well over 50 hrs on a set of lithiums more than once. No PIP, line in, but whoa on battery life!

I've been cocky and have the deck die during a gig. missed two songs because I pushed it. Swap rechargables every show.
Title: Re: What makes a Sony Pcm m10 cost $300 versus an Olympus Ls-7 ?
Post by: flintstone on March 16, 2012, 12:50:54 PM
The Sony PCM-M10 is generally regarded as superior to the Olympus LS-7 (better mics, quieter preamp, longer battery life).  The LS-7 can be found for less than $150, the M10 around $225. 

The LS-7 does have one feature that is very useful a particular set of customers:  The ability to play back and record unattended, based on its internal clock.

Unattended audio surveys are a standard feature of research by wildlife biologists.  Sometimes the presence or absence of a particular bird, bat or amphibian species plays a key role in the decision to permit development of a wilderness area.   Unattended recording is preferred because it removes the chance that the presence of a human operator will affect the vocalizations of the target species.  And unattended recording allows biologists to get a good night's sleep, instead of sitting outside in the cold, waiting for the time to switch on the recorder.

For example, audio surveys are a standard way to discover what frogs are present.  "Froglogger" recorders are expensive, and designs for homebrew solutions are often closely guarded secrets.

The LS-7 changes all this.  It has the ability to set three recording times daily for a specified duration.  If the researcher wants to provide a stimulus, the LS-7 can also play back at preset times.  For example, you might want to play a pre-recorded owl call for a minute, then start recording for 10 minutes to capture response calls.

The unattended recording feature is also useful for capturing a lecture.  Just hand the recorder to a colleague who will attend the event.  The recorder will start recording at the pre-set time without further action.
Title: Re: What makes a Sony Pcm m10 cost $300 versus an Olympus Ls-7 ?
Post by: jb63 on March 16, 2012, 09:47:15 PM

The LS-7 does have one feature that is very useful a particular set of customers:  The ability to play back and record unattended, based on its internal clock.


That has to be my favorite post of the whole year.
That's great stuff!

thanks!
Title: Re: What makes a Sony Pcm m10 cost $300 versus an Olympus Ls-7 ?
Post by: waloshin on March 17, 2012, 12:23:29 AM
The Sony PCM-M10 is generally regarded as superior to the Olympus LS-7 (better mics, quieter preamp, longer battery life).  The LS-7 can be found for less than $150, the M10 around $225. 

The LS-7 does have one feature that is very useful a particular set of customers:  The ability to play back and record unattended, based on its internal clock.

Unattended audio surveys are a standard feature of research by wildlife biologists.  Sometimes the presence or absence of a particular bird, bat or amphibian species plays a key role in the decision to permit development of a wilderness area.   Unattended recording is preferred because it removes the chance that the presence of a human operator will affect the vocalizations of the target species.  And unattended recording allows biologists to get a good night's sleep, instead of sitting outside in the cold, waiting for the time to switch on the recorder.

For example, audio surveys are a standard way to discover what frogs are present.  "Froglogger" recorders are expensive, and designs for homebrew solutions are often closely guarded secrets.

The LS-7 changes all this.  It has the ability to set three recording times daily for a specified duration.  If the researcher wants to provide a stimulus, the LS-7 can also play back at preset times.  For example, you might want to play a pre-recorded owl call for a minute, then start recording for 10 minutes to capture response calls.

The unattended recording feature is also useful for capturing a lecture.  Just hand the recorder to a colleague who will attend the event.  The recorder will start recording at the pre-set time without further action.

Where would you put the recorder so water/dust doesn't destroy it? Just wondering are there cases for that?
Title: Re: What makes a Sony Pcm m10 cost $300 versus an Olympus Ls-7 ?
Post by: aaronji on March 17, 2012, 05:59:20 PM
Another plus for the M10 is that it can handle pretty hot signals on either input...I am not even sure if the LS-7 has a line level input?
Title: Re: What makes a Sony Pcm m10 cost $300 versus an Olympus Ls-7 ?
Post by: rjp on March 17, 2012, 08:31:12 PM
Another plus for the M10 is that it can handle pretty hot signals on either input...I am not even sure if the LS-7 has a line level input?

I looked through the manual (http://www.olympusamerica.com/cpg_section/cpg_support_manuals.asp?id=1547) and didn't find anything about a line input. For me, that would be a deal-killer.
Title: Re: What makes a Sony Pcm m10 cost $300 versus an Olympus Ls-7 ?
Post by: azin david on March 18, 2012, 04:05:34 AM
Hello,
I have the Sony PCM-M10 and the Olympus LS-3 (LS-3 in Europe = LS-7).
The Sony M10 is best in the bass.
The LS-3 remains in the treble, it is also less good in function Auto-Rec by overtaking of 0db.
Title: Re: What makes a Sony Pcm m10 cost $300 versus an Olympus Ls-7 ?
Post by: mepaca on April 05, 2012, 11:06:46 PM
Check this out http://www.frogloggers.com/FL-VI-LS7-Information.html