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Gear / Technical Help => Recording Gear => Topic started by: behindpropellers on April 23, 2012, 09:41:39 PM
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Used to tape years ago. Miss recording shows, still go to a fair amount of shows with my Wife.
Thinking about grabbing a set of 4061's and a recorder. I have a mini-me leftover but I'm thinking about just going 4061s->BBox->recorder.
Thoughts?
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You're about to get a flood of responses. Most (if not all) of them will tell you to get the M10.
The battery life is scary. And it's easy to use.
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If you don't need the XLRs, the M10 is considerably smaller...
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Small and terrific sounding rig = 4061>MMA>M10. Battery life is scary, and if you want to (cough) st*@/th (cough) it is tiny enough to do so.
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Yet another vote from me for the M10. Honestly, that bastard is a king among recorders and will be remembered fondly throughout the ages. And yes, for a third time the battery life is scary. It just won't quit. Someone at Sony made a pact with the devil for that one.
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dr-100mkii
- bigger
- has xlrs (balanced input) that support +48 phantom
- has SPDIF input (can be finiky - works only with gear that properly formats the SPDIF signal (V3 w/ firmware update, USBPre2, etc))
- can hot swap batteries (has dual batteries)
- pre-amp is good
m10
- tiny
- unbalanced input only
- pre-amp is ok but external is recommended
- incredible battery life (20+ hours on a pair of AA's)
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You actually think the tascam has a nicer preamp than the sony?
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According to the review tonedeaf did - the tascam's pre amp worked well using condenser mics in loud environments which is the first low end recorder I have heard to be the case
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I'm very new to DR100II and don't really like so much menu. I love the M10. DR100 2 weeks old and likely for sale. Extra battery, AC power, 16 GB card. I'm sure it is a swell unit. I just have steep learning curves for most things. And ... change = bad, same thing = good.
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According to the review tonedeaf did - the tascam's pre amp worked well using condenser mics in loud environments which is the first low end recorder I have heard to be the case
And Tonedeaf has also said that the M10 has an excellent preamp (for those not looking to power condenser mics with it). 4061>MMA>M10 would be a great combo, though I'd be inclined to substitute the less expensive CA-9200 for the MMA, which also works well with the DPA's.
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Im not inclined to vote one way or the other on which has better pre. I think my own criteria might be different than others anyway. Most people seem to rely on noise specs as the basis for their evaluation. All I do is listen to what the damn thing sounds like which is fairly subjective to what flavor I want from my pre. I will say this.... for less than 300 dollars the dr100mkii sounds freaking amazing. See sample in the link below.
http://archive.org/details/macpodz2012-04-19.mk4_16bit
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I won't opine on the pres but if your planned rig is 4061>BB>deck then the M10 is all you need and is smaller and a little less expensive.
Conversely, having XLR inputs and P48, the DR-100mkII is more versatile and could be more useful to you if you wanted to run phantom-powered mics later.
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Off topic, but get the higher sensitivity 4060s. I run DPA 4060s > DPA battery box > Tascam DR-07. Used to use the DPA MMA6000 preamp but I think the sensitivity of 4060s is just right for use at concerts so I switched to a simple battery box.
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Off topic, but get the higher sensitivity 4060s. I run DPA 4060s > DPA battery box > Tascam DR-07. Used to use the DPA MMA6000 preamp but I think the sensitivity of 4060s is just right for use at concerts so I switched to a simple battery box.
Good to know. Which BB are you using?
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Off topic, but get the higher sensitivity 4060s. I run DPA 4060s > DPA battery box > Tascam DR-07. Used to use the DPA MMA6000 preamp but I think the sensitivity of 4060s is just right for use at concerts so I switched to a simple battery box.
I second that for anyone but a dedicated stack taper.
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Off topic, but get the higher sensitivity 4060s. I run DPA 4060s > DPA battery box > Tascam DR-07. Used to use the DPA MMA6000 preamp but I think the sensitivity of 4060s is just right for use at concerts so I switched to a simple battery box.
I second that for anyone but a dedicated stack taper.
Or in small rooms (under 500 people). I've been too many overly loud SPL shows over the years in smaller clubs.
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I use the DPA MPS6010:
http://www.dpamicrophones.com/en/products.aspx?c=Item&category=128&item=24261
DPA makes a bunch of similar battery boxes with different output connectors. I don't stack tape anymore now that I use the 4060s, but I've recorded at loud, small clubs and only once have I had any distortion due to high SPL -- and that was very brief (maybe 10 seconds out of the entire show).
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The tascams battery life is AWFUL, especially compared to the M10
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Well, this and other threads convinced me to pick up the M10. Having phantom power would have been nice, but the battery life of the Sony is what sold me.
I guess that makes me CA-11 > CA-9100 > M10.
Paid $213 through Musician's Friend (15% off coupon).