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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: Chimney Top on September 09, 2012, 01:10:34 PM
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has anyone used these for live taping? I read 'some' of them have a bass rolloff and were built for speech recording.
Thanks
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I haven't but these mics where mainly sold under the Strasser brand for churchs (at least that is what I have picked up over the years)
Most that you see are close speach cardiod's and not good for what we do.
Here's more info:
http://www.schoepsclassics.de/1969_cm060.htm
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I see some listed as 48V Phantom capible - but you would need to contact schoeps to find out more as the above link seems to suggest this was not the case on the original versions (maybe they upgraded the design at some point or a third party performed upgrades).
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Strässer is a very long-time provider of complete P.A. installations for churches, public assembly halls, municipal buildings, etc. in Germany (www.straesser.de). I don't think that Schoeps sells microphones to them any more, but they did so for decades, and nearly all such microphones have been, logically enough, speech cardioids. Their capsules can't be converted to standard (general-purpose) cardioids, and standard cardioid capsules are no longer available for the older microphone series, so this is not a way to get the sound you want at a bargain price.
Some of the Schoeps microphones that Schoeps made for Strässer which may be said to be "compatible with" 48-Volt phantom powering, may be the model CM 90--a type of Colette-series microphone designed for 24-Volt phantom powering. You could put any Colette capsule you want onto such an amplifier, but it would require (and would attempt to draw) something like 7 mA from a 48-Volt supply (sorry, I can't find the exact number). That's more than many/most portable supplies have available, particularly when powering a pair of microphones. I suspect that the factory could set the output circuit for 12- or 48-Volt operation and sell you a new sleeve and ID ring, though, and then it would be just like a CMC 3-- or CMC 5-- amplifier.
--best regards
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Here's a seller in Germany elaborating on a 48V Phantom converted CM060 - 3rd party converting the mics:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/schoeps-straesser-cm060-condenser-microphone-48-volt-phantom-/330796116016
on sale is an excellent sounding schoeps cm060 labeled "straesser" converted to be 48 volt phantom power by microphone solutions. find out more about this mic on schoepsclassics.de. straesser still is the number one in germany for sound installation in churches. this mic #6083 is in good technical shape. just connect it to your mixing desk that should deliver 48 volt phantom power, not 20 or 25 volts, and you will get an excellent sound from that microphone. the capsule is a close speech capsule that will give outstanding results when miking close-up. the buyer will get just the microphone, the short adapter 6-pin to xlr and the schematic for the original schoeps powersupply plus hints how to connect to a schoeps n60 powersupply (for the schoeps cm60 tube mike. note cm60 = tube, cm060 = transistor). cosmetics: the mic has no dents or deep scratches, the surface of the capsule shines more than the rest of the body (which i did not try to polish) - check the photograph. return policy: you may return this microphone within two weeks after receipt. in case it does not match the description i'll pay shipping. if you do not want it for any other reason you will have to pay.
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Some of the Schoeps microphones that Schoeps made for Strässer which may be said to be "compatible with" 48-Volt phantom powering, may be the model CM 90--a type of Colette-series microphone designed for 24-Volt phantom powering. You could put any Colette capsule you want onto such an amplifier, but it would require (and would attempt to draw) something like 7 mA from a 48-Volt supply (sorry, I can't find the exact number).
I have one of these Straesser CM 90/CMC-5. It was checked and adjusted by Andreas Grosser and is compatible with 48V. It draws 7mA as you wrote. Parallel I got a mail from Schoeps telling me I can use mine (serial number provided to Schoeps - in the 2000 range) with 48V without any problems but they added to watch out for hot plugging/unplugging, better to switch off Phantom power. It works great so far.
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I have one of these Straesser CM 90/CMC-5. It was checked and adjusted by Andreas Grosser and is compatible with 48V. It draws 7mA as you wrote. Parallel I got a mail from Schoeps telling me I can use mine (serial number provided to Schoeps - in the 2000 range) with 48V without any problems but they added to watch out for hot plugging/unplugging, better to switch off Phantom power. It works great so far.
You can buy a schoeps branded housing/sleeve and id ring as spare parts from Posthorn or Redding if you want to make it also look like a CMC5.
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I have one of these Straesser CM 90/CMC-5. It was checked and adjusted by Andreas Grosser and is compatible with 48V. It draws 7mA as you wrote. Parallel I got a mail from Schoeps telling me I can use mine (serial number provided to Schoeps - in the 2000 range) with 48V without any problems but they added to watch out for hot plugging/unplugging, better to switch off Phantom power. It works great so far.
You can buy a schoeps branded housing/sleeve and id ring as spare parts from Posthorn or Redding if you want to make it also look like a CMC5.
Perhaps I'm wrong, but I don't believe the id ring is available as a part. Jerry at posthorn mentioned this to me when I asked about changing a silver body to gray Nextel body.
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Rings are available, the problem is the XLR which isn't sold because the serial number is engraved on it.
So my CM90 is now a nickel coloured CMC5 after ordering the parts from Jerry.
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You can buy a schoeps branded housing/sleeve and id ring as spare parts from Posthorn or Redding if you want to make it also look like a CMC5.
why should I?
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You can buy a schoeps branded housing/sleeve and id ring as spare parts from Posthorn or Redding if you want to make it also look like a CMC5.
why should I?
I can confirm that it doesn't sound worse with Strässer logo on it ;)
But mine was dented and had scratches, so i decided to order a new metal sleeve.
Then i sold the high pass cardiod capsule for speech purposes which came with the mic. Someone paid over 200 euros for it @fleabay, more than i paid for the whole package and the spare parts ;D