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Title: Decent affordable fig-8?
Post by: fotoralf.be on November 09, 2012, 05:27:23 PM
I'm looking for a sdc fig-8 that's good enough for MS and double MS recording to be used in combination with two Rode NT-5. Affordable as in: substantially below the usual Schoeps and Neumann mics.

Any suggestions?

Ralf
Title: Re: Decent affordable fig-8?
Post by: F.O.Bean on November 09, 2012, 05:32:04 PM
I'm looking for a sdc fig-8 that's good enough for MS and double MS recording to be used in combination with two Rode NT-5. Affordable as in: substantially below the usual Schoeps and Neumann mics.

Any suggestions?

Ralf

AKG 390 series ;) MBHO also makes one!
Title: Re: Decent affordable fig-8?
Post by: jibooer on November 09, 2012, 07:22:24 PM
Naiant Studio may have some left...
Title: Re: Decent affordable fig-8?
Post by: yltfan on November 09, 2012, 07:49:59 PM
Does it have to be small diaphragm?
Title: Re: Decent affordable fig-8?
Post by: F.O.Bean on November 09, 2012, 07:57:00 PM
Does it have to be small diaphragm?


im guessing yes since he already said that ;) i would look into the 390 series first, even tho i havent heard one in awhile, but they are def affordable
Title: Re: Decent affordable fig-8?
Post by: raymonda on November 09, 2012, 08:19:22 PM
Cascade victor with lundahl transformer beats all of them.  There is nothing better at this price or 3x's. Once you go ribbons you won't go back. Buy now and thank me later.
Title: Re: Decent affordable fig-8?
Post by: ArchivalAudio on November 10, 2012, 03:33:29 AM
Not totally affordable - but what I want and would get:

http://www.milabmic.com/showproduct.asp?id=1133&show=specs (http://www.milabmic.com/showproduct.asp?id=1133&show=specs)

http://www.fullcompass.com/product/362414.html?gclid=CITsrZT-w7MCFaN_QgodGXYAxw (http://www.fullcompass.com/product/362414.html?gclid=CITsrZT-w7MCFaN_QgodGXYAxw)

MILAB DC-196
Run vertical or horizontal.


Title: Re: Decent affordable fig-8?
Post by: George2 on November 10, 2012, 04:39:32 AM
Half the price of Schoeps:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/629673-REG/Ambient_Recording_ATE208_ATE_208_Emesser_Figure_8.html
Title: Re: Decent affordable fig-8?
Post by: weroflu on November 10, 2012, 04:54:52 AM
beyer m130

http://www.thomann.de/gb/beyerdynamic_m_130.htm

Title: Re: Decent affordable fig-8?
Post by: fotoralf.be on November 10, 2012, 06:29:51 AM
Does it have to be small diaphragm?

The directivity pattern of all affordable LDC mics I have tried  is not symmetrical enough to allow for decent MS recordings, let alone double-MS for subsequent processing into 5.1 surround.

Maybe I should have mentioned that I don't record music but soundscapes, at sound pressure levels usually between 20 and 50 dB below what you'd get in a mjsic concert situation. Given the rather low sensitivity of ribbon mics and their susceptibility to wind noise, I'm more than a little sceptical as to their usability for this purpose.

Ralf
Title: Re: Decent affordable fig-8?
Post by: raymonda on November 10, 2012, 08:45:24 AM
 You are right. Ribbons would not work for you.
Title: Re: Decent affordable fig-8?
Post by: acidjack on November 10, 2012, 11:31:24 AM
I'm looking for a sdc fig-8 that's good enough for MS and double MS recording to be used in combination with two Rode NT-5. Affordable as in: substantially below the usual Schoeps and Neumann mics.

Any suggestions?

Ralf

AKG 390 series ;) MBHO also makes one!

I think the MBHO one is almost the same price as a Schoeps MK8, sadly  :P
Title: Re: Decent affordable fig-8?
Post by: F.O.Bean on November 10, 2012, 07:47:01 PM
I'm looking for a sdc fig-8 that's good enough for MS and double MS recording to be used in combination with two Rode NT-5. Affordable as in: substantially below the usual Schoeps and Neumann mics.

Any suggestions?

Ralf

AKG 390 series ;) MBHO also makes one!

I think the MBHO one is almost the same price as a Schoeps MK8, sadly  :P

Really? Damn my bad! I should've known better since I ran Mbps for 4.5 years :)
Title: Re: Decent affordable fig-8?
Post by: John Willett on November 11, 2012, 07:10:10 AM
I'm looking for a sdc fig-8 that's good enough for MS and double MS recording to be used in combination with two Rode NT-5. Affordable as in: substantially below the usual Schoeps and Neumann mics.

Any suggestions?

There is only one I can think of - the Ambient ATE 208 EMESSER (http://www.ambient.de/en/products/ambient-recording/microphones/emesser.html).

Very small, close to Schoeps in quality and made specially for Ambient by MBHO in Germany.

Comes as a kit and is less than half the price of the Schoeps.  I think it's about £600 in the UK.

It's the least expensive single-diaphragm condenser fig-8 on the market, as far as I am aware, but still up there with the expensve ones in quality.

(http://www.ambient.de/fileadmin/user_upload/produktphotos/used/ATE208_09.png)
(http://www.ambient.de/fileadmin/user_upload/produktphotos/used/ATE208onSchoeps_13.png)
(http://www.ambient.de/fileadmin/user_upload/produktphotos/used/ATEsetATEC_R.png)
Title: Re: Decent affordable fig-8?
Post by: NOLAfishwater on November 12, 2012, 11:53:45 AM
what about Audio technica AT4081 fig8 ribbon?

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/AT4081/
Title: Re: Decent affordable fig-8?
Post by: Gutbucket on December 11, 2012, 04:42:37 PM
Please let us know what you end up with.  I've been toying around with a setup idea I'd need one decent-quality sdc 8 for as well.  An LDC won't work, it needs to be small and lightweight.

The Ambient EMESSER seems interesting candidate now that they use a MBHO capsule.  I'd love to hear from someone who has actually used one since the cost, reasonable for a quality sdc 8, is rich for playing around with an interesting config which may or may not be worthwhile.

First I've seen of that AT active ribbon.

Jon, if you are reading.. any chance to still get one U-8 and the appropriate P48 PFA to power it?  I dropped that option when I was trying to figure a way to run it into one low powered mic channel and it requried two.  Now I'm willing to drop the single low powered channel requirement so a balanced PFA (and/or two low powered channels) will work.  I probably don't have as much of a low noise requriement as Ralf, and need somewhat decent if not super high SPL capability.
Title: Re: Decent affordable fig-8?
Post by: Gutbucket on December 11, 2012, 07:53:31 PM
Good to hear. The mounting would be unusual anyway so I'd figure that out. 

Thinking cap back on..