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Title: Sony M-10: is there any way to balance the mic-input of the 2 channels?
Post by: gorlando on November 22, 2012, 10:01:16 AM
I have tried to understand how to compensate eventual unbalances between the 2 channels at the mic-inputs and did not find anything.
So there is no way to eventually compensate mic unbalances with the Sony M-10?
Title: Re: Sony M-10: is there any way to balance the mic-input of the 2 channels?
Post by: vanark on November 22, 2012, 10:11:03 AM
Not on the M-10 itself.  You either have to do it at the preamp level if you individual control of each channel.  Or do it in post by amplifying one channel more than the other.
Title: Re: Sony M-10: is there any way to balance the mic-input of the 2 channels?
Post by: Myco on November 22, 2012, 10:20:56 AM
Yeah, for some reason one channel is always hotter than the other on these decks. I just boost it a bit in post if it's too noticeable.
Title: Re: Sony M-10: is there any way to balance the mic-input of the 2 channels?
Post by: audBall on November 22, 2012, 11:20:56 AM
Are you guys referring to just mic-in and not line-in? I've had the M10 for close to two years and only recently have started using mic-in PIP.

Title: Re: Sony M-10: is there any way to balance the mic-input of the 2 channels?
Post by: gorlando on November 22, 2012, 12:47:02 PM
I guess this situation is the same (i.e. no independent level adjustment) also for the line-in of the Sony M-10, isn't it?
Title: Re: Sony M-10: is there any way to balance the mic-input of the 2 channels?
Post by: audBall on November 22, 2012, 01:29:18 PM
I was referring the statement about one channel being hotter than the other. Never noticed that. The dual gain adjustment is certainly no issue.
Title: Re: Sony M-10: is there any way to balance the mic-input of the 2 channels?
Post by: Gutbucket on November 22, 2012, 03:00:20 PM
Independant adjustment of channel gains (in addition to the standard stereo gain adjustment) was one of the numerous things made available on the handheld Edirol recorders though the secret menus.  Anyone ever find secret menus on the M-10?
Title: Re: Sony M-10: is there any way to balance the mic-input of the 2 channels?
Post by: F.O.Bean on November 22, 2012, 11:34:43 PM
I just balance in WaveLab
Title: Re: Sony M-10: is there any way to balance the mic-input of the 2 channels?
Post by: runonce on November 23, 2012, 02:20:19 AM
So...this channel imbalance is "normal and to be expected" with this device?
Title: Re: Sony M-10: is there any way to balance the mic-input of the 2 channels?
Post by: vanark on November 23, 2012, 08:15:42 AM
So...this channel imbalance is "normal and to be expected" with this device?

I don't know how normal it is - I don't recall seeing except when the source was louder one channel vs. the other.
Title: Re: Sony M-10: is there any way to balance the mic-input of the 2 channels?
Post by: F.O.Bean on November 23, 2012, 01:54:05 PM
I ran my second m10 out of the SBD weds nite and my levels were dead on. Usually with my mics I have to adjust gain on my LB
Title: Re: Sony M-10: is there any way to balance the mic-input of the 2 channels?
Post by: Myco on November 23, 2012, 10:32:11 PM
Sorry, my mistake, I didn't read close enough. No input issues, only when using built in mic's is one hotter than the other. Line & mic in are dead on for me.
Title: Re: Sony M-10: is there any way to balance the mic-input of the 2 channels?
Post by: stepeanut on November 24, 2012, 02:18:31 PM
My right channel is always slightly hotter than the left.  This is running line-in, and is consistent across multiple gigs at a variety of different venues.  I've tried different mics, so I'm fairly certain the imbalance lies within the M10.  I tend to fix it in post, but, when I get a suitable opportunity, I shall play with the output pots on my CA Ugly II preamp.
Title: Re: Sony M-10: is there any way to balance the mic-input of the 2 channels?
Post by: live2cd on April 03, 2013, 04:28:08 PM
I just got a M-10 and Ive noticed the right is always hotter and Ive taped 3 shows. Last night I taped Garbage and brought back out the Edirol R-09 just because Im not sure if my M-10 is defective or not. I have a CA9200 preamp and it works beautifully with the Edirol. Just wondering if there was a fix or what I should do. Fixing it in post seems like something we shouldnt have to be doing since we paid for this product to outperform its predecessors. Oh well.   :-\
Title: Re: Sony M-10: is there any way to balance the mic-input of the 2 channels?
Post by: Gutbucket on April 03, 2013, 04:44:26 PM
I shall play with the output pots on my CA Ugly II preamp.

For lack of access to a secret menu setting on the M10, That'll correct for it for whenever using that preamp.
Title: Re: Sony M-10: is there any way to balance the mic-input of the 2 channels?
Post by: shownomarcy on April 04, 2013, 10:20:16 AM
I often had to balance it post (using Goldwave - pan volume tool is easy) while using at853, Edirol R-09HR. Its true it was probably because of bad placing of my mics.
As I remember only for R09 was written here about hidden menu, not for the 09HR, right?
Title: Re: Sony M-10: is there any way to balance the mic-input of the 2 channels?
Post by: it-goes-to-eleven on April 04, 2013, 10:26:33 AM
I verified the line-in balance of my m10 using a Tektronix signal generator.

It is basically dead on, with less than .1dB of difference.

Differences between the cheap, but quite good, internal mics are not a major concern for my use.