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Title: Recording a SBD feed with a PMD661
Post by: ChadC on March 07, 2013, 03:10:35 PM

I have not yet tried this but would like to have some info before I do.

Would it be best to connect using the XLR inputs or the 1/8" Line 2 input.

I also have a Edirol UA-5. Would it be possible to go SBD via RCA or XLR > UA-5 digital coax out > PMD661


Title: Re: Recording a SBD feed with a PMD661
Post by: F.O.Bean on March 07, 2013, 07:47:55 PM
Most serious SBD's have XLR & 1/4" OUTS. Some have RCA outs but not many. I would just go SBD>XLR>661 and be done with it ;) You could also do SBD>XLR>UA5>Digi Coax>661 as well. Its really up to you. I like simplicity and its going to sound good either way as long as the SBD is decent and the Sound Engineer knows what hes doing ;)
Title: Re: Recording a SBD feed with a PMD661
Post by: justink on March 07, 2013, 09:10:46 PM
Every sbd I have encountered has RCA outs most accessible. They may have other outs but they're usually taken. Just FYI.
Title: Re: Recording a SBD feed with a PMD661
Post by: acidjack on March 07, 2013, 09:44:31 PM
^ I see RCA and XLR most; 1/4" less so. You have to be prepared for anything.

Agree w Bean that with an SBD, I take a KISS (keep it simple, stupid) approach. Seems like a waste running it through a pre
Or other interface unless required.
Title: Re: Recording a SBD feed with a PMD661
Post by: justink on March 07, 2013, 10:40:34 PM
^ I see RCA and XLR most; 1/4" less so. You have to be prepared for anything.

Agree w Bean that with an SBD, I take a KISS (keep it simple, stupid) approach. Seems like a waste running it through a pre
Or other interface unless required.

I agree with all of this.
Title: Re: Recording a SBD feed with a PMD661
Post by: DigiGal on March 07, 2013, 11:41:29 PM
If your UA5 has a digimod then, yes you can go digital out of the UA5 directly to your PMD661 via S/PDIF.

Btw: You would not be limited to only take a soundboard feed with the UA5 as you can run a pair of your mics into the UA5 simultaneously and make an on-the-fly matrix recording combining sound board and mics.
Title: Re: Recording a SBD feed with a PMD661
Post by: F.O.Bean on March 07, 2013, 11:43:02 PM
Yeah, my local band has RCA outs, so I run mk21[onstage/NOS]>LB>M10 and SBD>RCA>M10. and syncing up in post is a breeze IMO!
Title: Re: Recording a SBD feed with a PMD661
Post by: F.O.Bean on March 07, 2013, 11:43:27 PM
If your UA5 has a digimod then, yes you can go digital out of the UA5 directly to your PMD661 via S/PDIF.

Btw: You would not be limited to only take a soundboard feed with the UA5 as you can run a pair of your mics into the UA5 simultaneously and make and on-the-fly matrix recording combining sound board and mics.

Great point too DG!
Title: Re: Recording a SBD feed with a PMD661
Post by: Cheesecadet on March 09, 2013, 04:37:14 PM
If your UA5 has a digimod then, yes you can go digital out of the UA5 directly to your PMD661 via S/PDIF.

Btw: You would not be limited to only take a soundboard feed with the UA5 as you can run a pair of your mics into the UA5 simultaneously and make an on-the-fly matrix recording combining sound board and mics.

I've seen others mention this on the fly matrix with a UA5 in the past...but how do you account for the mics delay?
Title: Re: Recording a SBD feed with a PMD661
Post by: acidjack on March 10, 2013, 12:00:23 PM
^^ you can't. And therefore, you are screwed unless you are up close.
Title: Re: Recording a SBD feed with a PMD661
Post by: 404 Not Found on May 31, 2013, 11:18:58 AM
Have been using a PMD661 for a for some time now and have used both the 1/8 Line 2 Inputs as well as XLR without a problem.  Usually the Line 2 1/8" input was used when I had to use an RCA Tape Out from a board.  I always try and use the XLR In's on the 661 if I can, but now that I purchased a Sound Devices MixPre-D, I have only been running the AES out of the MixPre-D to the S/PDIF of the PMD 661 with amazing results! 
Title: Re: Recording a SBD feed with a PMD661
Post by: fsulloway on May 31, 2013, 11:28:30 AM
Most serious SBD's have XLR & 1/4" OUTS. Some have RCA outs but not many. I would just go SBD>XLR>661 and be done with it ;) You could also do SBD>XLR>UA5>Digi Coax>661 as well. Its really up to you. I like simplicity and its going to sound good either way as long as the SBD is decent and the Sound Engineer knows what hes doing ;)

not necessarily, especially in a small room. The sound guy will be mixing for the room not the recording. It's very possible that bass and guitar will be mostly left out of the mix if they fill the room without any help from the PA.
Title: Re: Recording a SBD feed with a PMD661
Post by: 404 Not Found on May 31, 2013, 12:04:35 PM
Most serious SBD's have XLR & 1/4" OUTS. Some have RCA outs but not many. I would just go SBD>XLR>661 and be done with it ;) You could also do SBD>XLR>UA5>Digi Coax>661 as well. Its really up to you. I like simplicity and its going to sound good either way as long as the SBD is decent and the Sound Engineer knows what hes doing ;)

not necessarily, especially in a small room. The sound guy will be mixing for the room not the recording. It's very possible that bass and guitar will be mostly left out of the mix if they fill the room without any help from the PA.

Spot on in noting the "who is in and who is out" of the SBD mix, as this has happened to me many times forcing a mic'd recording when a 16+ member jazz big band has performed.  Some rooms and boards just do not have enough channels to mic everyone/everything and rely on the rooms acoustics. Happens often in Jazz with big horn sections having to share a few mic's on stage.
Title: Re: Recording a SBD feed with a PMD661
Post by: DigiGal on May 31, 2013, 12:45:23 PM
Most serious SBD's have XLR & 1/4" OUTS. Some have RCA outs but not many. I would just go SBD>XLR>661 and be done with it ;) You could also do SBD>XLR>UA5>Digi Coax>661 as well. Its really up to you. I like simplicity and its going to sound good either way as long as the SBD is decent and the Sound Engineer knows what hes doing ;)

not necessarily, especially in a small room. The sound guy will be mixing for the room not the recording. It's very possible that bass and guitar will be mostly left out of the mix if they fill the room without any help from the PA.

Spot on in noting the "who is in and who is out" of the SBD mix, as this has happened to me many times forcing a mic'd recording when a 16+ member jazz big band has performed.  Some rooms and boards just do not have enough channels to mic everyone/everything and rely on the rooms acoustics. Happens often in Jazz with big horn sections having to share a few mic's on stage.

A good justification for making a matrix recording instead of strictly a soundboard (provided that you can get your mics close enough to the stage so that the room delay is not objectionable).