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Title: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: Kevin T on July 06, 2013, 08:09:23 AM
Do any have / share installed sweet spot mic/pre amps?
Just seems logical not to have all these rigs experimenting nite after nite when there is a know
 spot mics could beinstalled
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: danny3 on July 06, 2013, 09:36:57 AM
I have a permanent set up in a bar/music hall that I frequent. It consists of a multiple mic bar with a four channel xlr snake running to a spot next to the soundboard where I set up. 
This makes it easier for any other guest tapers to set up, or I will sometimes run two sets of mics to do comps. I leave a basic set up and spare recorder with the house in case I can’t be at a show. 
The coolest install I have seen is Ted’s multi-channel set up at the Stone Church in Newmarket.
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: stevetoney on July 06, 2013, 07:28:53 PM
Just seems logical not to have all these rigs experimenting nite after nite when there is a know
 spot mics could beinstalled

That might be logical, and I might be offbase here, but I don't think many tapers would leave their own gear home if they knew they could patch into someone elses permanently installed rig.  It's just not as much fun to me to listen back to a recording that isn't made with my own gear, EVEN when I know the other source would sound better.

That said, if all I had the money for was a recorder, I'd certainly welcome a patch bay at every venue.
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: F.O.Bean on July 06, 2013, 07:36:57 PM
Just seems logical not to have all these rigs experimenting nite after nite when there is a know
 spot mics could beinstalled

That might be logical, and I might be offbase here, but I don't think many tapers would leave their own gear home if they knew they could patch into someone elses permanently installed rig.  It's just not as much fun to me to listen back to a recording that isn't made with my own gear, EVEN when I know the other source would sound better.

That said, if all I had the money for was a recorder, I'd certainly welcome a patch bay at every venue.

100% agreed buddy!
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: Chuck on July 06, 2013, 10:49:05 PM
I have installed a stereo mic bar and clips with a pair of mic cables that go back to the sound board in the ceiling of a local venue. I don't leave any mics up there, but I know the FOH engineer puts his own mics up there and uses it to make recordings when I'm not there.
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: page on July 06, 2013, 11:05:31 PM
yeah, I'm with Chuck in how I'd do it; I'd install the rigging and maybe even cables, but I doubt I'd leave any mics there. Any more then that and I'm essentially writing off the cost of the equipment if the place goes belly up, they get stolen, the building burns, etc. So anything I'm putting up there is expendable and is likely of lesser quality than even the small rig I schlep around (hence Steve's comment about leaving stuff at home turning out to be true).
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: Kevin T on July 07, 2013, 10:00:16 AM
Do any have / share installed sweet spot mic/pre amps?
Just seems logical not to have all these rigs experimenting nite after nite when there is a know
 spot mics could beinstalled
my thoughts were for the venue to own/install the rig to attract tapers. Maybe charge $10 to tap in?
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: H₂O on July 07, 2013, 12:10:03 PM
Do any have / share installed sweet spot mic/pre amps?
Just seems logical not to have all these rigs experimenting nite after nite when there is a know
 spot mics could beinstalled
my thoughts were for the venue to own/install the rig to attract tapers. Maybe charge $10 to tap in?

I think this is a bad idea and precedence.  I have heard of one venue that owns the mics and they won't let any one else run other mics - they don't charge but still the mics aren't all that and better tapes could be made.

Charging to use mics IMO is also the wrong way to go as this sets a precedence that you have to pay to tape.
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: F.O.Bean on July 07, 2013, 06:26:24 PM
Do any have / share installed sweet spot mic/pre amps?
Just seems logical not to have all these rigs experimenting nite after nite when there is a know
 spot mics could beinstalled
my thoughts were for the venue to own/install the rig to attract tapers. Maybe charge $10 to tap in?

I think this is a bad idea and precedence.  I have heard of one venue that owns the mics and they won't let any one else run other mics - they don't charge but still the mics aren't all that and better tapes could be made.

Charging to use mics IMO is also the wrong way to go as this sets a precedence that you have to pay to tape.

Isn't that a the rams head? or some BMore venue? I remember someone talking about that before!
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: page on July 07, 2013, 06:41:15 PM
Isn't that a the rams head? or some BMore venue? I remember someone talking about that before!

8x10 in baltimore.
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: F.O.Bean on July 07, 2013, 06:44:47 PM
Isn't that a the rams head? or some BMore venue? I remember someone talking about that before!

8x10 in baltimore.

That's it, thnx page. I knew it was in bmore!
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: stevetoney on July 08, 2013, 11:22:41 AM
Good luck dealing with the legal ramifications of charging someone to use your gear in someone elses venue to record an independent contractors music which has some intellectual property rights attached to it.  I doubt what you had to pay to cover yourself could offset the small amount you'd recover in fees, even if someone was willing to pay for tapping in.  In the end, I think the 'bad precendent' issue, while definitely valid, becomes sorta moot.  IMHO, this is one of the reasons most bands say 'no' to SBD recording...it's not because the SBD is better sounding (which is a myth anyway), it's because then the FOH engineer and venue's might want a piece of the action since their time and gear are being used.

The 'freely traded, never sold' aspect of the taping hobby tends to self-correct alot of those issues.
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: ScoobieKW on July 08, 2013, 12:28:00 PM
We have a Manfrotto 099b and 4 xlr lines hanging in our sweet spot at the Tractor Tavern in Seattle.
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: Gil on July 08, 2013, 12:42:45 PM
I'd love to hang a set of quality mics high up at my local venue The Thunderbird, which can become a chatty hellhole.
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: F.O.Bean on July 08, 2013, 12:50:46 PM
I'd love to hang a set of quality mics high up at my local venue The Thunderbird, which can become a chatty hellhole.

Ill lend my mk41s for that venue. You can just have them ;) 8)
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: Gil on July 08, 2013, 02:10:05 PM
I'd love to hang a set of quality mics high up at my local venue The Thunderbird, which can become a chatty hellhole.

Ill lend my mk41s for that venue. You can just have them ;) 8)

Sounds good, Bean! ;D

I'm thinking of just setting up my 943s there since I have yet use them for stealth. Alas, they're not quite good enough where I wouldn't be tempted to bring all of my gear any way.
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: hoppedup on July 08, 2013, 04:53:58 PM
The Grey Eagle in Asheville, NC has house mics installed and a patch bay. The last time I taped there the patch bay outs were marked and you could take the board feed or the board feed mixed with house mics. The sound guy came over and said, "If any more tapers show up, make sure they know they can plug in."

I wish all venues were like that.
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: Chuck on July 08, 2013, 04:55:51 PM
The Grey Eagle in Asheville, NC has house mics installed and a patch bay. The last time I taped there the patch bay outs were marked and you could take the board feed or the board feed mixed with house mics. The sound guy came over and said, "If any more tapers show up, make sure they know they can plug in."
I wish all venues were like that.

That is very accommodating!
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: jbell on July 08, 2013, 05:30:35 PM
The Grey Eagle in Asheville, NC has house mics installed and a patch bay. The last time I taped there the patch bay outs were marked and you could take the board feed or the board feed mixed with house mics. The sound guy came over and said, "If any more tapers show up, make sure they know they can plug in."
I wish all venues were like that.

That is very accommodating!

they do treat us well at the Grey Eagle
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: achalsey on July 08, 2013, 05:54:25 PM
The Grey Eagle in Asheville, NC has house mics installed and a patch bay. The last time I taped there the patch bay outs were marked and you could take the board feed or the board feed mixed with house mics. The sound guy came over and said, "If any more tapers show up, make sure they know they can plug in."
I wish all venues were like that.

That is very accommodating!

they do treat us well at the Grey Eagle

If only all venues were owned by former tapers...
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: yltfan on July 08, 2013, 06:37:54 PM
Wow Hall in Eugene has a mount and cables installed. The Wonder Ballroom in Portland has a partial setup--just cables, I believe.
Title: Re: installed shared venue mics?
Post by: tgakidis on July 09, 2013, 07:49:50 AM
8 Channel Snake at the Stone Church in New Market, NH.  To bad the venue's booking department has gone down hill.  Haven't been there in months.

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