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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: Temple on February 25, 2014, 10:40:00 PM
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Not sure if this has been covered before but I am having a hard time finding much online about quality microphone options for a DSLR setup. Hope this is not far out of the realm of this forum.
I am trying to put together a live concert video recording set with a quality microphone. So far I have a DSLR that has a microphone input. I am looking into pre options now and have found a very inexpensive one that is called the iRig Pre. It has 48v phantom power and has a single XLR microphone option. I will be recording in smaller music venues which get pretty loud so I will also need a mic that can take higher SPL. These recordings will be within a few feet of the stage and typically have a fair amount of ambient noise from people talking. Any input on a microphone that would work well with this setup would be great! I am also open to other pre ideas but they would have to be pretty compact and semi low cost. I have heard the iRig Pre and it does a pretty great job for its price...Thanks.
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Any input on a mic for this setup would be great. I have pretty much decided on the irig pre. This is one mic that I found while looking around that might be a good fit. Oktava MC012
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Tascam dr-60d
Check that out - pre, recorder, hooks directly to cam
Then your mic options are pretty limitless because you have xlr and 1/8 in
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Jon, I have that part figured out but just need to find a good mic to go with it. Starting to lean towards an audio technica mic. Maybe one of the following...AT4031 or AT4041.
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Is there much of a difference between the two AT mics? Wonder if one would be better for high SPL events and would match up better with the irig pre. Thanks
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Here is a link to the 4031...
http://recordinghacks.com/reviews/tapeop/audio-technica-at4031/
http://recordinghacks.com/microphones/Audio-Technica/AT4031
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And levels are getting to around the 120db range maybe a bit more. So people are yelling to talk to each other at that point.
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Tascam dr-60d
Check that out - pre, recorder, hooks directly to cam
Then your mic options are pretty limitless because you have xlr and 1/8 in
It's totally geared to DSLR functions. Slate features, mount, 4 track to 2 track mixdown with delay compensation...
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I do not need many of those functions. Just really looking for a SCM that would be great for live rock shoes in smaller venues. So something that can take higher SPL's.
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I have it narrowed down to the Pro 37 or a AT4041. Any idea on which one would be more friendly with the iRig Pre? I will try to get some more specs on the pre today...
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Here are the specs I was able to find on the iRig.
Frequency response: from 20 Hz to 20 kHz +/- 1.5dB
Noise: -98 dB fullband, phantom power ON
Maximum output level: 2 Vrms
Distortion: 0.025% THD
Phantom max current: 6mA
Battery duration (Alkaline 9V cell): approx 30 hours when phantom is off, approx 10 hours when phantom is on
Does that give you enough info on the phantom power? If not what should I look for when I call them. Thanks.
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Would one be better than the other when it comes to recording live rock shows at higher SPL?
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Do both of these mics have a pad? What might I notice in terms of sound quality differences when recording live music between these two mics?
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Anything in that range is fine, AT, Oktava, whatever. You might find you want to make a stereo recording though.
Why not stereo? I think that is a good idea. Lots of options, in terms of size, cost and powering. If you don't want to have two mics, there are also stereo mics like the Rode NT4 or similar. A lot of the stereo mics can be battery powered too, eliminating the need for the iRig...
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I need a pre either way and the iRig is very cost effective and small. I was thinking I might not miss the stereo option as I would not be able get the mic separation needed. Would it really make that much of a difference? This is very new to me so not a lot of experience recording live music.
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Does your camera have a microphone input (that's what it said in the original post) or a line input (or both)? With a mic input you won't need a pre, only something to power the mics. That may also be the case for a line input if you are recording loud shows.
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It has a mic input but the cameras pre as with most cameras are pretty lame. Lots of background noise and other issues. I am really surprised more people have not chimed in with mic ideas...
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Not sure if this has been covered before but I am having a hard time finding much online about quality microphone options for a DSLR setup. Hope this is not far out of the realm of this forum.
I am trying to put together a live concert video recording set with a quality microphone. So far I have a DSLR that has a microphone input. I am looking into pre options now and have found a very inexpensive one that is called the iRig Pre. It has 48v phantom power and has a single XLR microphone option. I will be recording in smaller music venues which get pretty loud so I will also need a mic that can take higher SPL. These recordings will be within a few feet of the stage and typically have a fair amount of ambient noise from people talking. Any input on a microphone that would work well with this setup would be great! I am also open to other pre ideas but they would have to be pretty compact and semi low cost. I have heard the iRig Pre and it does a pretty great job for its price...Thanks.
What DSLR? Does it have audio input level control? Auto-level? What max signal can this ?stereo? mic input handle.
Have you heard of Juicedlink?
Are you sure you need a condenser and P48? How about a nice flat dynamic? Through an unbalancing transfomer and mono to stereo connection and straight into the DSLR mic pre?
Any input on a mic for this setup would be great. I have pretty much decided on the irig pre. This is one mic that I found while looking around that might be a good fit. Oktava MC012
How will you mount the mic? Are you prepared to deal with handling noise? If the mic will be hand-held an MC012 is not a good choice.
Is there much of a difference between the two AT mics? Wonder if one would be better for high SPL events and would match up better with the irig pre. Thanks
What aspect of the mic and pre do you anticipate needing matching? Have you checked the max SPL ratings of the mics you're considering? That's one of the most commonly published specs and possibly one of the most accurately tested. Audio Technica publishes excellent specs at their site.
AT4041: http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/wired_mics/b43bffe4d4295274/
I find no listing for AT4031 at their site and a search returned no result as well.
http://www.audio-technica.com/cgi-bin/product_search/all/prod.pl
It has a mic input but the cameras pre as with most cameras are pretty lame. Lots of background noise and other issues. I am really surprised more people have not chimed in with mic ideas...
Since any outboard pre you add to this recording chain will go through the "lame" camera pre, I fear that your mic choice will not be the limiting factor in your recording.
There are many mics designed to be used with camera inputs. There are a number of single-point stereo mics at many different price and performance levels. Some of these would likely give a better result than any of the mics you've mentioned so far.
Have you tried taking your DSLR into the environment you plan to record? I would think that a basic proof of concept would start by shooting a show with nothing more than the on-board camera mic. From there you can identify problems that arise and come up with tools and techniques to address those issues.
Conscientious folks would probably only offer recommendations based on their actual experience, and I'm willing to bet that no one has any experience feeding a P48 SDC through an iRig Pre into a DSLR at the front of the stage.
Fran
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I have not picked up anything at this point. I will try testing out the camera with the onboard mics to see how that works first.
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Answers are inline.
Not sure if this has been covered before but I am having a hard time finding much online about quality microphone options for a DSLR setup. Hope this is not far out of the realm of this forum.
I am trying to put together a live concert video recording set with a quality microphone. So far I have a DSLR that has a microphone input. I am looking into pre options now and have found a very inexpensive one that is called the iRig Pre. It has 48v phantom power and has a single XLR microphone option. I will be recording in smaller music venues which get pretty loud so I will also need a mic that can take higher SPL. These recordings will be within a few feet of the stage and typically have a fair amount of ambient noise from people talking. Any input on a microphone that would work well with this setup would be great! I am also open to other pre ideas but they would have to be pretty compact and semi low cost. I have heard the iRig Pre and it does a pretty great job for its price...Thanks.
What DSLR? Does it have audio input level control? Auto-level? What max signal can this ?stereo? mic input handle.
**The camera has mic level control. Putting the level at 1 notch above 0 should defeat the internal pre of the camera.
Have you heard of Juicedlink? **Yes and a little more than I want to lay out for a pre.
Are you sure you need a condenser and P48? How about a nice flat dynamic? Through an unbalancing transfomer and mono to stereo connection and straight into the DSLR mic pre?
**Can you give me some ideas of a good flat dynamic that can handle an SPL around 125db?
Any input on a mic for this setup would be great. I have pretty much decided on the irig pre. This is one mic that I found while looking around that might be a good fit. Oktava MC012
How will you mount the mic? Are you prepared to deal with handling noise? If the mic will be hand-held an MC012 is not a good choice.
**Mic will be mounted on the hot shoe of the camera.
Is there much of a difference between the two AT mics? Wonder if one would be better for high SPL events and would match up better with the irig pre. Thanks
What aspect of the mic and pre do you anticipate needing matching? Have you checked the max SPL ratings of the mics you're considering? That's one of the most commonly published specs and possibly one of the most accurately tested. Audio Technica publishes excellent specs at their
**I have checked the max SPL and that is the reason why I came up with the mics I had listed.
AT4041: http://www.audio-technica.com/cms/wired_mics/b43bffe4d4295274/
I find no listing for AT4031 at their site and a search returned no result as well.
http://www.audio-technica.com/cgi-bin/product_search/all/prod.pl
**If you look at the link I posted above you will find the info on the AT4031. Maybe it was a misprint on that site.
It has a mic input but the cameras pre as with most cameras are pretty lame. Lots of background noise and other issues. I am really surprised more people have not chimed in with mic ideas...
Since any outboard pre you add to this recording chain will go through the "lame" camera pre, I fear that your mic choice will not be the limiting factor in your recording.
There are many mics designed to be used with camera inputs. There are a number of single-point stereo mics at many different price and performance levels. Some of these would likely give a better result than any of the mics you've mentioned so far.
**Can you give me a couple models that you know of? What makes you think that these mics would be better than what I had listed?
Have you tried taking your DSLR into the environment you plan to record? I would think that a basic proof of concept would start by shooting a show with nothing more than the on-board camera mic. From there you can identify problems that arise and come up with tools and techniques to address those issues.
**Good idea and that is what I plan on doing. I had done some testing yesterday and found the onboard mics to be of very low quality and that might also have to do with the onboard pre.
Conscientious folks would probably only offer recommendations based on their actual experience, and I'm willing to bet that no one has any experience feeding a P48 SDC through an iRig Pre into a DSLR at the front of the stage.
**Agree...
Fran
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I doubt the practicality of capturing good audio with any mic mounted to a DSLR camera from the standpoint that a desirable location from which to record audio at a concert is typically not a desirable place for shooting video or photos. Either someone is in the way of the camera, making noise, or it's the wrong place to shoot around something in the way of a good photo, and on and on.
Having said all this, I'll partly eat my own words by saying there's a guy on Gearslutz named JoelPatterson who has put up some interesting walk around video/audio shoots he has done with a DSLR on a steadycam rig he made using a Tascam DR-05 as his audio recorder.