Price is awesome...curious how they did in the field...
wouldn't they be the same as the TLM170r's in Card position?
From reading around it looks like the TLM193 is more inline with the TLM170
I have a pair and have used them with much success for outdoor shows. Indoors, not so much.
Two examples:
https://archive.org/details/PhilLesh2013-06-09.nyctaper
http://www.nyctaper.com/2014/07/phish-july-11-2014-randalls-island-flacmp3streaming/
Dan at NYCTaper runs a set of TLM-102's on occasion. We taped side by side at Mountain Jam last year and I think his Phil & Friends pull with them was great, one of the best of that set. You might want to reach out to him for his personal opinion but a handful of his 102 recordings are here, most of them matrixed with a board feed so you unfortunately won't be getting the "pure" Neumann sound. > http://www.nyctaper.com/tag/neumann-tlm-102/ (http://www.nyctaper.com/tag/neumann-tlm-102/)
Edit to add: Ha, you posted while I was writing mine up, Dan!
I was thinking they might nicely compliment the 150's for 4 channel.
Both sound amazing...I'm getting a pair 8)
I think the ones Dan uses are excellent mics, especially good outdoors. Side by side I have preferred them to Schoeps and MBHO. Also they have a nice small form factor for LDs.
H2O, I'm trying to understand your question. I think you may have gotten some of your information a little wrong. The TLM 170 uses the K 89 capsule originally developed for the U 89. Size-wise, it's somewhere between what's usually called large-diaphragm (e.g. U 87, U 47) and what's usually called small (e.g. KM anything). The TLM 193 is the single-pattern (cardioid only) microphone that uses this capsule.
But the TLM 102 uses a new, large-diaphragm capsule that isn't used in any other type of microphone, and it doesn't resemble the TLM 170 or its relatives sonically.
The capsule is also somehow shockmounted internally as well if I understand what Ive read correctly.
Quote from: DSatz on December 15, 2014, 10:46:31 PM
H2O, I'm trying to understand your question. I think you may have gotten some of your information a little wrong. The TLM 170 uses the K89 capsule originally developed for the U 89. Size-wise, it's somewhere between what's usually called large-diaphragm (e.g. U 87, U 47) and what's usually called small (e.g. KM anything). The TLM 193 is the single-pattern (cardioid only) microphone that uses this capsule.
But the TLM 102 uses a new, large-diaphragm capsule that isn't used in any other type of microphone, and it doesn't resemble the TLM 170 or its relatives sonically.
Thanks David,
I was about to post exactly this.
The TLM 102 is a great little mic. for the money (and many prefer it to the TLM 103), but it's certainly no TLM 170.
The TLM 102's capsule is actually a glued capsule (this keeps the outside dimensions down, while maximising diaphragm area) and the back is actually a PCB.
The picture below is clickable to get the larger image:-
(http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQC4qAoEoLRotkg8FsZ9JCYvSmMRTkYWoe9Y-XC4b6aoAX3BidLJlC4fvE) (https://www.gearslutz.com/board/attachments/so-much-gear-so-little-time/281397d1331506067-anyone-open-up-tlm102-yet-tlm-102d.jpg)
I corrected myself in the post a few minutes after I posted the question - I guess I wasn't clear enough
The TLM170 does not resemble the 102 as you all pointed out - and the TLM193 is more in line with the TLM170