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Gear / Technical Help => Microphones & Setup => Topic started by: StarkRavingCalm on August 27, 2015, 04:28:10 PM
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Reading up on MS techniques and saw this mic, which has been discontinued and from what I see, $$$.
Is there an equivalent to this out there?
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Not really equivalent at all, but if you mean "all in one M/S" mic there are lots of options. DigiGal has run the Shure VP88 with great results. The Studio Projects LSD2 aka Busman BSC4 can also make nice tapes
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There's also the small diaphragm AKG C34. It was available with a selector box like the C426 or without in an MS model only which is a card & figure of eight. I have one of the MS models that needs new caps, someday I'll get around to fixing it but I'm pretty much over coincident recordings now a days.
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There's the Avantone CK-40, which is a large (35 mm) diaphragm stereo mic which operates similarly and has omni, card and fig 8 caps. Quiet, large, well constructed and good bang for the buck.
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Another similar LD stereo mic (switchable omni/card/8 caps) which is one step up from the LSD2 and BSC4 is the Peluso P-Stereo. Caps only rotate to a max of 90 degrees apart however.
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Makes me mildly nuts that mics like the Avantone CK-40 offer useless configs like coincident dual omni but don't offer useful settings like wide cardioid and hypercardioid.
Fran
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Makes me mildly nuts that mics like the Avantone CK-40 offer useless configs like coincident dual omni but don't offer useful settings like wide cardioid and hypercardioid.
Fran
I have put the electronics and capsules of two CAD179s in a single case with a rotating capsule head. The patterns of both capsules are remotely variable (via a 20 foot 12-conductor cable), from Omni through Fig 8, so you can have Blumlein, M-S (with any pattern for the M), Cardioid X-Y, etc. Also the capsules can rotate to any polar position, from 0 to 180 degrees relative to each other. It works very well, though is not cheap to build. But PM me if you're interested (and have tons of money to spend!) ;D
Dave
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Makes me mildly nuts that mics like the Avantone CK-40 offer useless configs like coincident dual omni but don't offer useful settings like wide cardioid and hypercardioid.
Fran
I have put the electronics and capsules of two CAD179s in a single case with a rotating capsule head. The patterns of both capsules are remotely variable (via a 20 foot 12-conductor cable), from Omni through Fig 8, so you can have Blumlein, M-S (with any pattern for the M), Cardioid X-Y, etc. Also the capsules can rotate to any polar position, from 0 to 180 degrees relative to each other. It works very well, though is not cheap to build. But PM me if you're interested (and have tons of money to spend!) ;D
Dave
Dave, your system sounds intriguing. Mind PMing me with a cost estimate? Or publish it if you prefer. I don't have a need for the remote config capability, but the rest sounds intriguing.
Fran
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Makes me mildly nuts that mics like the Avantone CK-40 offer useless configs like coincident dual omni but don't offer useful settings like wide cardioid and hypercardioid.
Fran
Agreed, but what it does (XY and M/S), it does well.
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Makes me mildly nuts that mics like the Avantone CK-40 offer useless configs like coincident dual omni but don't offer useful settings like wide cardioid and hypercardioid.
Fran
Agreed, but what it does (XY and M/S), it does well.
So I was kind of curious about this as well, why would you ever run one omni above another omni? I assume you would point both omni capsules directly at the sound source, no?
Would this ever be worthwhile? Is it even a "legitimate" config? I'm familiar with A/B spaced omnis, but not coincident omnis.
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For stereo use, mostly M/S with an omni mid. I suppose two coincident omnis may be useful for some close-mic'ing applications, but not for what we are doing. Angled apart (probably 90 to 180 degrees) doing so may be useful as a way to introduce a touch of stereo "air" and interest into an otherwise predominantly monophonic track. Could be useful for a vocals or a solo instrument.
For single channel use the omni position is of course useful as a single omni, or one could record both omni and 8 with both caps pointed in the same direction and combine them later in varying degrees and polarities to produce any 1st order pattern. You only get one channel output by doing that, but gain the advantage of dialing in any pattern with the ability to change it while listening later. Likewise one can cut that full range of adjustment in half by recording cardioid and 8, or cardioid and omni, to matrix later and dial in patterns between the two.
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Cool, thanks for the detailed explanation. I pretty much figured it would not be a configuration we'd run.